This day will be remembered as the day we abandoned morality...

[Blackhatjack]

....and the rest of the world will take notes, and remind us of it every time we try to encourage others to adhere to morally upright principles.

There is hope that the SCOTUS will bring some sanity to this embarrassing and dangerous legislation and rule the detainee bill UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

The only other hope is that DEMs retake both houses of Congress and pass a bill which reverses this action by a number sufficient to override a Presidential Veto.

[Greeby]

1. There is always the hope

That there are enough Repukes willing to vote against this. But that probably is a forlorn hope

[bullimiami]

2. and the democrats dont think this is worth a fillibuster

what. are they saving it for something even more important?

[Greeby]

6. How do you know?

Has there been the cloture vote yet?

[Nite Owl]

9. There was an artilcle up

at Yahoo and something on DemocracyNow. They are letting Levin have a vote on his plan but don't have the votes. They are not filibustering because they don't want it to be a campaign issue where they could be called unpatriotic. Unless this is some sort of ploy and they pull out a filibuster when they go to vote it's over. There was a thread or two earlier. Sorry I have to get back to work and don't have the link handy.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. That was my thought too--what am I missing?

[rkc3]

8. "Where there is life... There is hope."

The Great Philosopher Grover once uttered this phrase.

[izzie]

3. We often right the thing when we re-think it.

One has to feel shame for what we did to the Japanese. 100 years after the Civil War we made the laws we had passed work. Some times we get around to do it right. Some times.

[liberalmuse]

4. WTF? They passed that atrocity?

America is dead, and Bush killed her. Killed by a dangerous, stupid, sociaopath. The only way we can remove the taint of Bush rule is to boot his ass out of office. This is a fucking disgrace. America tortures. I never thought I'd live to see this day.

[bdamomma]

10. why can't we have the guts to take these people on????

they would have been long gone in another country, what as long as they give toys and TV to feed our minds we stay oblivious to everything that this country is going to crash and burn.

[John Gauger]

5. Professor Chomsky refers to this as the single standard:

All nations must adhere to international law except the United States. Obviously this view tends to be present only in the US. It causes some problems for us, but most Americans apparently don't care.

[moondust]

11. A day that will live in infamy.

FDR didn't need torture despite losing thousands in one attack at Pearl Harbor, V2 rockets, and a genocidal madman who would have used WMD if he had had them. Same for HST. Ike would have shuddered at the very thought. Kennedy? No. Johnson? No. Not even Reagan or daddy. Certainly not Clinton.

Infamy, George, infamy.

[woodsprite]

12. Instead of Vlad the Impaler, we have George the Assailer. n/t