34 House so-called "Democrats" voted "aye" for torture.

[scarletwoman]

If any of these bastards are YOUR representive, I hope you will let them know without delay that they will NEVER get your vote (or campaign contributions) again -- and make sure you tell them why.

Here's the list from thomas.gov -- unfortunately, except in cases where there is more than one rep. with the same last name, the list does not indicate which states these people are from. Hopefully, DUers will know their own:

Andrews
Barrow
Bean
Bishop (GA)
Boren
Boswell
Boyd
Brown (OH)
Chandler
Cramer
Cuellar
Davis (AL)
Davis (TN)
Edwards
Etheridge
Ford
Gordon
Herseth
Higgins
Holden
Marshall
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Michaud
Moore (KS)
Peterson (MN)
Pomeroy
Ross
Salazar
Scott (GA)
Spratt
Tanner
Taylor (MS)

Complete roll call can be found here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll491.xml

sw

[babylonsister]

1. Is there anywhere to find out WHY they voted this way? I

always feel frustrated seeing lists of reps or senators who voted however they did, but not know why. Could they be aware of something we're not, who are they trying to appease?

[Thickasabrick]

4. I don't give a fuck why - they voted to keep people locked up

forever with no recourse. Fuck them.

[scarletwoman]

7. I guess you'd have to ask THEM.

Thankfully, my own rep -- always a man of integrity and principle -- was a "nay" vote, as I expected.

sw

[Warpy]

63. Udall of NM was a nay

I won't even bother to look at how Wilson (R-Cow) voted. She rubberstamps everything.

[City Lights]

10. Bean represents a very conservative district.

My guess is she figured voting the way she thinks the majority of her constituents would want her to vote will help her keep her seat. :shrug:

[mom cat]

55. What a good German!

[City Lights]

71. I know. I know.

:puke:

[Nickster]

123. I live in her district and I hate every vote she casts. She's a reliable

Republican vote every damn time. Problem is, no one will run against her from the Dem party and everyone is so happy that we won the district they aren't going to try and bring her in line or give her a primary challenge.

[City Lights]

125. I also live in her district, but only since last October.

I had the unpleasant experience of living in the Phoenix area for 5 years as JD Hayworthless's constituent. Prior to that, my rep was the dishonorable Phil Crane.

I'm not thrilled with Bean, but think she's between a rock and a hard place. I think you described her situation perfectly. When push comes to shove, I'll probably hold my nose and vote for her simply because I want to do whatever I can to keep McWeeney from taking her seat. :-(

[Nickster]

137. I just don't understand how her plan works. If I were a Republican voter

why would I vote for her instead of the Republican candidate? I mean McWeeney isn't any less supportive of the status quo than she is so why support the Dem?

[City Lights]

140. I'll probably support her only to help our chance of winning the House. nt

[never cry wolf]

139. I am in her district too and am very disappointed

I was thrilled to be ric of Crane but Bean is a Dino. I too will hold my nose and vote for her because of the greater prize, Conyers with supoena power BUT that won't stop me from letting her know how upset I am with her over this.

[leftchick]

37. how in the hell do you vote for torture???/

seriously? They are fucking cowards who fear looking weak on terror period! :puke:

[NCarolinawoman]

83. My guess is that they wanted to "look tough" .

They know that Rove and his henchmen will go after them as being weak on National Security. It's the same thing that drove so many Dems to vote for the IWR. Most of them knew better but their elective office was just too damn important to them. Paul Wellstone was such a fine example of someone who put principle over the safety of his Senate seat.

This is why I like the idea of having people from the military run as Democrats. They are already inoculated against this need to "appear tough". I noticed that the Republican, Walter Jones, who was in the National Guard and represents a military district, voted against the torture bill. Good for Walter Jones.

[Canuckistanian]

87. Looking tough while being a coward

That today's Democratic party! (cue music, release the balloons)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

90. Any Dem who doesn't realize that Rove will go after them no matter what

is too stupid to be in office.

There's an Old Country proverb: "If you want to beat a dog, you can always find a stick."

The Republicans always find a stick, even if it's nonsensical. There is no way to make one's self immune to Republican attacks.

[It was not a pretzel]

109. I`ve never understood the "looking weak" argument

These sacks of shit might look a little tougher if they actually grew a backbone.

[Redstone]

2. We need to vote every single fucking one of them out. That simple.

Thank you for providing the list.

Redstone

[William Bloode]

6. I concur.

Whole heartedly at that. I will never vote for or support any politician who signs this tripe, no matter which party they come from.

[Redstone]

11. well, now, I've made a new friend. Hey, you think we could start a

movement with this? If we could, our country would benefit greatly.

Wouldn't it?

Redstone

[William Bloode]

27. Yeah. we need something.

If we lose this, then what do we really have left? If this legislation passes we are all phucked. How long till homosexuals, dissenters, or what have you get labeled as enemy combatants?

I did my part i typed till my fingers hurt the last few days writing letters, plus all the calls i made. We should be screaming about this from the roof tops. But all i can see from the Dem leadership it the same "keep you powder dry" mentality.

I guess it'll be easy for me to keep my powder dry when they come take me to jail, and lock me up with no charges, and no access to evidence, or representation.

[Redstone]

28. You can only do wnat you can do. Hey, did you take your DU name from

the lead character in that book set in the Indian Stream Republic?

That was a helluva book.

Redstone

[William Bloode]

32. Actually it's a family name.

Was my grandfathers name, and now my youngest son's.

[Redstone]

34. OK, thanks. I'll be looking forward to seeing you around. I suspect that

I'll enjoy your posts.

Redstone

[stuartrida]

18. Even if it means 100 Republicans in the senate and 431 republicans in the

house. Yeah, that'll learn America real good! Get 'em!

[scarletwoman]

21. So? With Dems like these, what's the damn difference?

If they're so happy to support a police state, then what the hell good are they?

Codifying torture and rescinding habeus corpus means the end of our Republic anyway.

[leftchick]

38. with this particular vote

They ALL Become republicans. There is NO Fucking Difference. Oh, and all hail king fucking shithead george! Their beloved leader.

:puke:

[Freddie Stubbs]

117. If this is the only issue that you care about,

then have fun with Republican control of Congress. There are many districts which simply won't elect a liberal Democrat.

[William Bloode]

31. I don't see how it applies here.

I', am sure far more pukes voted for it than Dem's, so the math would work their way. But i agree any politician who signs this crap is a traitor and should be jailed for trying to circumvent the constitution. Upholding it happens to be one of their main responsibilities.

[me b zola]

66. No, we do what we can to use their semi warm bodies to get the majority

...Then we grow our own candidates to defeat them in the next primaries. That's what we should be doing.

[RufusEarl]

19. unprincipled is unprincipled no matter the party!!

And any dem that could vote this this gem, needs to be working somewhere else.

[FormerDittoHead]

144. ROB? Andrews? NJ?

Assuming it's *MY* Rob Andrews, this is yet another nail in his coffin for me.

He voted for the credit card companies in the bankrupcy bill a while ago as well... I wrote him a letter and he replied that it would bring down credit card interest rates (still waiting)...

Another poster said that the solution was for ME to run against him (as if that's ONLY other choice)... but HERE'S the other choice...

WHEN someone runs against him in the primary I will vote for THEM...

HOWEVER, I will ALWAYS vote Democratic in the general election...

[Eric J in MN]

3. Thanks for the link.

My Congressman is one of the many Republicans who voted for this bill.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Peterson is pretty much a DINO, isn't he?

[sufrommich]

22. Mine too

Thaddeus McCotter,a disgusting pig of a man.I expected no less.I still e-mailed and congratulated him on lowering himself to terrorist status and dragging the rest of us along with him.

[wellst0nev0ter]

129. Gee, I Didn't Know Minnesota Voted For 5 Republican Congresspersons

Christ, if and when we take the House, I hope Pelosi puts him in a junior member of the subcommittee on janitorial duties.

[tnlefty]

5. Slight problem...

Ford is now running for the TN senate seat being vacated by FrankenFRIST. :puke:

[Individualist]

15. No problem at all for me

Others can vote as they please, but there's no damn way I'll vote for someone who has voted for torture. :mad:

[tnlefty]

I understand.

But I know that Corker would have voted the same way and 6 yrs. of him will be worse. My "moderate" spouse has been been on a rampage since he got home and is frequently swearing and saying things like, "anything to keep the phoney baloney jobs", then back to swearing through clenched teeth. And this from the "moderate" one, (laughing to keep from crying).

edited to add: I've already told the staff from the offices of Lincoln Davis, Bart Gordon, and Tanner to take me off of their call lists (as of a year or so ago), and when I still received mailings from them I sent a note stating that if they wanted to continue wasting their money on postage to contact me with no result, it was their business, but I thought it rather foolish.

[Individualist]

29. If you're assuming

I'd vote for Corker because I won't vote for Ford, you're completely wrong. Of course Corker would be worse, but lesser of two evils, ESPECIALLY where a torture vote is involved, is not acceptable to me. As I said before, others can vote as they please, but I couldn't live with my conscience if I voted for either of them. If the ballot had an option for "none of the above", that would be what I'd select. As is, I simply won't vote in the senatorial election.

[tnlefty]

33. No, not at all I meant that I understood the "neither" the "none of the

above" option. I don't have to necessarily like the choice to be able to completely understand it. Wasn't assuming anything, just trying to quietly state that I understood.

Ford will be my absolute last one of these votes. This time it is just too important to me to try to change the power numbers, i.e. who has subpeona power and who chairs committees.

This torture vote makes me ill without a doubt.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. I knew I was right to vote for the Socialist dude instead of Michaud

[City Lights]

12. I called Bean's office this afternoon and let them know how I felt

about her vote.

[Eric J in MN]

61. How did the conversation go? NT

NT

[City Lights]

70. It was interesting...

Before I let loose, I wanted to verify that she actually voted for it. They couldn't confirm her vote and wanted my contact info to get back to me. I told her that wouldn't be necessary and to please just pass my comment along to Rep. Bean. I told her that I'm a liberal Democrat living in Bean's district and I know she needs my support, but I will be unable to vote for her. I told her I wouldn't vote for McWeenie, but I couldn't vote for Bean either. She sighed....heavily....and said, "Alright...thank you for calling."

I don't know what to read into her heavy sigh...lots of angry calls, or possibly frustration over the difficulty in pleasing her constituents. :shrug: Being heavily conservative, I'm guessing someone is always pissed at her.

[Skidmore]

13. Boswell just heard from me...

[WolverineDG]

14. Anyone want to help me "Lieberman" Cuellar?

PLEASE?

dg

[SmokingJacket]

16. Not my guys, thank God. nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. Not surprised to see Colin Peterson

Why doesn't he just fess up and join the Republicanites? He votes with them most of the time.

I'm glad to see that none of the other Minnesotans nor any of the Oregonians voted for it, though.

[dflprincess]

65. None of the other Minnesota Democrats voted for it though

Republicans Gutknect, Kline, Kennedy and "Mr. Moderate", Jim Ramstad all did.

[JFen]

20. Ross is from Southern Arkansas

He's not my Rep, but I emailed him and left a message on each of his office's phones.
He is an idiotic douche-bag.

[me b zola]

67. Welcome to DU, JFen

:toast:

[ikojo]

23. The Dems differ from the Republicans in what

way? This is the question people ask when Democrats walk the Republican line.

[WildEyedLiberal]

26. Because the vast majority of them voted no.

Here's your difference:

Vast majority of Dems voted NO to torture

Vast majority of Repukes voted YES to torture

Saying that these pro-torture Dems are indicative of all Dems is like saying that the few Repukes who voted no to torture are typical Republicans. They are not.

[rockymountaindem]

40. Very good point

One that seems to be lost around here all too often.

[scarletwoman]

45. Yes, but that's not the point of THIS post. This isn't about the Dem Party

this is about the THIRTY-FOUR Dems who sold our Constitution, our Enlightenment heritage, our tradition of laws handed down since the Magna Carta, and everything that used to distinguish us from every petty despot the world over down the river.

If you aren't outraged by this, then I can't think of anything else to say to you.

sw

[WildEyedLiberal]

69. You're overreacting to rockymountaindem

No one's arguing that this bill is anything less than odious.

I was responding to a poster who asked what the difference between Ds and Rs was. I said, the difference is that most Ds DID vote NO and most Rs DID vote YES. Rockymountain agreed with me. I only addressed Dems in general because the poster I replied to did.

[CatholicEdHead]

42. Which Repubs voted against it?

[scarletwoman]

46. Click on the link at the bottom of my OP -- it gives the full list. (nt)

[WildEyedLiberal]

68. Uhhh... it was in another thread

Jones from NC (the freedom fries guy), Paul... those are the only two I remember off the top of my head.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

112. Oh, goody! It's PURGE time!

I do so love a good purge.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Gotta protect their seats...er....nation.

Why them durned terrorists might take over the Newnited States of 'Murka and do away with all of our freedoms and set up kangaroo courts, detain people without a trial, and torture folks.

[chill_wind]

34 Dems voted to allow Bush to Interpret the Geneva Conventions Rules

One of the main thrusts of the House bill. That's my understanding from listening to a portion of the House Debate this afternoon.

They learned **nothing** from handing him the IWR. They learned **nothing** from handing him the sweeping powers of the Patriot Act.

Unforgivable!

[gully]

53. And more than 160 voted NOT to.

eom

[chill_wind]

76. 34 torture and proto-fascist advocates in the Dem party is 34 too many.

We are a party that advocates human rights under the Geneva Conventions and justice, or we are NOT.

OUT with these war criminals.

E.O.M.

[Individualist]

79. One would be too many!

[gully]

88. I agree it's too many, but MY first priority is ousting the party that put

this legislation before our country.

[texpatriot2004]

25. Thanks for the list of these "Dems" nm

[MallRat]

30. Marty Meehan (MA)... didn't vote?

Marty? WTF? Where were you?

[beltanefauve]

94. Nor did John Lewis,

of all people, or Sheila Jackson-Lee. WTF?

[helderheid]

35. Matheson. Goddamnit!!!!

[ToeBot]

82. No surprise, and this is who's being groomed for a run at Hatch's seat? nt

[Solly Mack]

36. Please read. How does a person vote for torture

and a host of other abuses, one day - and then regain their honor the next?

They don't. They can't.

How will a Congress, whose members vote for torture and other abuses, hold Bush accountable for anything?

They can't. They won't.

The complicit don't want to go to jail either.

You can't say "Bush abused his authority!" when you give him the power to do just that. Once you vote to give him the authority, it's not abuse...it is a right granted by Congress.

That bears repeating...slowly and out loud

It.is.a.right.granted.by.Congress

You can't pretend you're protecting America while you gut the laws and ideals that are the very essence of what America is supposed to be about.

You can't claim you didn't know or that someone lied to you - ignorance is no excuse of the law...and for those who make the law - claiming ignorance is not only dishonest....it's criminal.


Moral clarity doesn't exist in obfuscation and distortions.


The high ground isn't reached by water-boarding.

[leftchick]

39. Why No Recs? This Is The Real Deal Folks!

scarletwoman has laid it bare and it isn't pretty but it is for REAL! We have no Democracy when they vote for torture!

[Individualist]

41. A vote for torture deserves a war crimes trial,

and I hope every SOB who voted for this has a war crimes trial in his/her future.

[scarletwoman]

58. Either that, or we'll meet up in the gulag someday...

I've pretty much lost all hope for our country. I don't think I'll live long enough to ever see this downward slide reversed. :-(

sw

[Solly Mack]

43. I recommended earlier..we need more

[scarletwoman]

52. Thanks for that. (nt)

[scarletwoman]

48. I was wondering that myself... Thanks.

I kinda thought it was important information...

:shrug:
sw

[tnlefty]

54. Because if it made it then you'd have folks trying to get it deleted,

trying to get folks TS'd, and then the threads admonishing anyone who feels these votes are just disgusting?!!!???

This after I watched the senate dems making remarks about Jim Jeffords this morning on the floor? Talking about how important it is to have principles, etc.

I think they're giving me a strange version of bi polar disorder! :crazy:

[high density]

44. Michaud ("D"-ME) is an idiot

I'm glad that Allen represents me here in Maine. Michaud seems to be on the wrong side of far too many issues.

[eShirl]

101. I wrote him

I said "SHAME"

[berni_mccoy]

47. THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR TORTURE! THEY VOTED FOR FASCISM!

[gully]

49. Was this the FINAL vote or a vote to have a vote?

eom

[scarletwoman]

50. This was the final vote in the House. Senate hasn't voted yet. (nt)

[gully]

51. That sucks.

eom

[annabanana]

56. They did a bad thing. . . BUT

This year we NEED a majority, however imperfect & cobbled together with stupid people

[me b zola]

73. Yes. We can and should defeat them in the next primary that they face

...keep their warm bodies--for now--for the majority.

[IChing]

57. War criminals all of them

It is not only the torture and habeas corpus clause it is the immunity to war crimes prosecution
that have been committed or may in the future be committed.

[chill_wind]

77. Yes indeed. nt

[Generator]

59. Voting for Dinos doesn't work

You don't capitulate to evil. Someday maybe everyone on this site will understand that. I just hope it's not anyone you know being tortured or detatined without habeas corpus. America is such a young country, I guess we have to live the lessons they had endless war and destruction over in Europe. The next five hundred years should be a blast!

[Canuckistanian]

60. Stephanie Herseth??????

Wasn't she elected because of a major online DEMOCRATIC grassroots campaign?

What a fucking travesty, that even vetted progressive candidates can be so corrupted.

Fuck!

[wellst0nev0ter]

132. Fuck Her. SHEH-RAWD Brown of Ohio Is The One That's Disappointing

How is he better than Paul Hackett again? Because he's "more progressive".

Christ, if this doesn't work out, I quit.

[Canuckistanian]

133. OMG, I never noticed his name

Another DNC-preapproved candidate. And to think, he managed to convince progressives that he would carry the fight for justice to Congress.

What a waste.

[Straight Shooter]

62. Capitulation is appeasement.

Either your morals are like the terrorists, or they aren't.

And Osama laughs and laughs and laughs as he watches America slide into the gutter.

[bdamomma]

81. yes, bin laden is laughing and he is not doing anything, our

regime is.

[vanboggie]

64. I just wrote my repuke c-critter, but pukes won't be able to - ha!

You have to answer the question "what is 4+1" to get to the screen to leave a message.

[bonzotex]

72. Use the next primaries, not this election to show your ire

Remember these folks. Remember what they did. But also remember, this general election is too important to hand over to the repukes.

I agree with almost every disgusted, disappointed and outraged comment here. This is a sad day for our Nation. It will be sadder still when a portion of our Democrats in the Senate cave in on this issue as well.

There are a lot of DINOs on this list but it will still be MUCH better to have a Democratic majority in one or both houses.

We can hold them accountable within our party, but we cannot allow another two years of Repuke dominance. The repukes will never be held accountable unless we regain power.

Remember, but don't toss out this chance to begin America's recovery just because we still have some internal housecleaning to do.

[Individualist]

75. No war criminal will get my vote

ever!

[bonzotex]

85. I understand your anger

Vote your conscience, but keep in mind what another 2, 4, 8 years of republican dominance will mean.

The fucks that voted for this need to be pushed out of public life, but not so a worse repuke can slip in behind them. I know it sucks. I hate the lesser of two evils choice. But the republicans really have embraced evil.

The truly progressive and patriotic Dems we still have can't do anything unless we can take back one of the houses.

[Individualist]

86. The lesser of two evils is NOT acceptable when the issue is torture

My sig line sums it up quite well.

[bonzotex]

92. So how are you going to fight?

What is your plan to take our Nation back? Or is it time to leave?

[Raksha]

104. That's what I'm going to do--remember it for next time.

Fortunately my own rep is one of the sane and patriotic 160, but I just saved a list of "The Dirty 34." We need a Democratic majority at all costs this time, so I guess their constituents are going to have to hold their noses and vote for them (although if you can't do that I totally understand) but they should all go down in 2008 when we're on our way towards getting our country back. There is no excuse for this.

[Fovea]

74. Dennis Moore has forced me to change my party

registration.

That's It. I am going Green for all Kansas State elections.

[onenote]

98. then I hope you find a green discussion board

We're into electing Democrats here.

[Fovea]

106. Even Democrats who advocate torture?

I can't vote for anyone who supports Torqemada.

I will vote for a Dem Pres who does not advocate torture, but ANY KANSAS DEM WHO VOTED FOR THIS,OR APOROVES OF THIS VOTE IS DEAD TO ME FROM NOW ON!!!!!!!

And good luck electing those who do. What exactly is the difference between a Dem like you, and a Macacca Republican?

[Freddie Stubbs]

122. A Republican will vote against you 100% of the time

The Democrat will not. What is so difficult to understand?

[Fovea]

142. My so called Democrat

voted for Cafta and torture. I have voted for my last DINO.
Give me a progressive to vote for, and I will punch the donkey.
Otherwise I vote Green. I will no longer vote for Dennis Moore.

[Freddie Stubbs]

145. And if there is no Green candidate on the ballot?

Moore has no Green opponent.

[LWolf]

114. That's right.

"We're" into electing Democrats here. "We're" also an online community for Democrats and other progressives.

As long as realpolitik isn't using DU to support a non-Democratic candidate, he/she is included.

<snip>

Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

<snip>

But please remember that this is a large and diverse community that includes a broad range of opinion.

[true_notes]

78. Is there a Copy of this Bill anywhere?

I want to be educated before Mr. Tanner gets the lesson.

[scarletwoman]

80. Click on the link at the bottom of my OP to go to the thomas.gov site.

From there you can navigate to the full text of the bill.

sw

[Armstead]

84. Brown?????!!!!!!????

WTF is he doing on this list?

He's usually on the right side of issues. Not a waffler or DINO at all.

He can't want a senate seat THAT badly.

[scarletwoman]

89. What state is he? Most of the names on that list are unfamiliar to me.

Unhappily, 2 of the familiar names, Herseth and Bean, were people heavily supported by the progressive netroots. It's the kind of irony I could really do without, ya know?

sw

[Armstead]

100. Sherrod Brown of Ohio

A very progressive Democrat who's running for the Senate.

[farmbo]

91. Nothing on Sherrod's website. WTF? .He just pissed on his base!

There's not a dimes worth of difference between his position and Dewine's on torture-- the most critical vote of the year.

He may have just lost the race.

:scared:

[mod mom]

134. Call his office:

Washington Office
[phone]

I just did and left my 2 cents. Not only will it cost him 2 votes in my household (I rather abstain from voting than side with anyone who would support torture for any reason!) but I will work to make sure others know.

[mod mom]

131. Sorry, but I will NOT vote for someone who supports torture for any reason

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY (cuz it sure ain't me) BECOME!

[Nikki Stone 1]

93. We'll remember you.

You may wish we didn't.

[bullwinkle428]

95. Good news/bad news for me: my Rep. Leach (R) voted NO, although

his opponent Loebsack would be one of the strongest NO votes in the entire House if he gets in this fall.

[Freddie Stubbs]

120. How is one 'no' votes stronger than another?

Do they press the button extra hard?

[bullwinkle428]

136. No - Leach is trying to make himself look anti-war during the campaign

season in a heavily blue district growing increasingly disenchanted with his votes over the years, many of which just enabled * to continue to advance his own agenda of the destruction of the middle class...

[specimenfred1984]

96. Thank you for the list, torture is a crime against humanity

Regardless of what these people's excuses may be, it's sickening to all human existance to condone torture.

Just remember, 160 dems voted against it. 160 to 34 is a huge margin, a MANDATE in the truest sense of the word.

[lonestarnot]

97. 30 fucking 4 for torture, just sick bastards! No way around it!

[specimenfred1984]

99. Worse than sick, they deserve life in prison

They're not sick, they know what they did.

[lonestarnot]

102. Well if bushitler signs it into law I'm going to buy a copy of

V for vengence and ..... watch it.

[specimenfred1984]

103. Busholini will issue a signing statement 1 way or another

Laws don't apply to war criminals regardless of the content

[wiley]

105. Wow. Every Dem. House delegate from South Dakota.

Salazar from CO, related to Senator Salazar from CO

[neebob]

141. Based on the other Salazar's previous voting behavior

I expect two more rocks in my sack after the Senate votes.

[neebob]

107. I got a rock!

I always say I feel like Charlie Brown on Halloween when this stuff gets posted. It's not bad enough that one of my senators is Wayne Allard - there's my representive, John Salazar, on the list.

I was just posting about his dorky radio ad this morning, on a thread about Republican attack ads. He's a farmer. Let's send a farmer to congress ... so he can vote for torture. Aaaaagh!

I will definitely tell him off.

[leftchick]

108. kick

:grr:

[scarletwoman]

110. me too...

[midnight]

111. Thank god-no.....

[Bluebear]

113. Veteran. Gene Taylor. Democrat. Votes FOR torture.

Shame on him.

[Avalux]

115. Cuellar (sigh)

He's not a Democrat. x(

[Freddie Stubbs]

119. the Democratic voters if Texas's 28th District seem to disagree with you

U. S. Representative District 28

Henry Cuellar(I) D EM 24,256 53.09%

Victor Morales DEM 2,943 6.44%

Ciro D. Rodriguez DEM 18,484 40.46%

[Avalux]

124. So?

Do you live here? His voting record says it all.

[Freddie Stubbs]

127. What about the vote of the Democrats in the primary?

They seem to think that he is a Democrat. They nominated him again, despite his less than liberal record. Perhaps the Democrats in his district are a bit moderate.

[Avalux]

135. I won't argue with you about this.

Cuellar considers himself a moderate conservative and endorsed George W. Bush in 2000. Below is the photo of Bush grabbing Cuellar's cheeks at the 2006 State of the Union.



What I expressed was my personal opinion as a Democrat living in Texas - Cuellar is not a Democrat; he is not loyal to the Democratic Party.

[mmonk]

116. Either party labels don't mean anything or,

if they are democrats, then I am not and vice versa. I mean that. Given history, they are not.

[Faux pas]

118. How many of them are up for re-election?

Guess it's write in vote time. If they're not up yet, email them and tell them they won't win again.

:wtf:

[mmonk]

121. I would like for them to give me a real and

reasoned reason why they did this. I need to know for my sanity.

[Hubert Flottz]

126. Appeasing the Fascists!

[NotGivingUp]

128. to all on the list...hope you feel real proud of yourselves n/t

[mod mom]

130. Everyone who voted Aye is partially responsible for war crimes IMHO.

[G_j]

143. absolutely!

they ARE criminals

[indepat]

138. Ford deserves to lose his senate bid but, unfortunately, Corker will

likely vote much to the right of Ford: we are truly forever fucked.

[Moderator]

146. locking...

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