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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:08 PM
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The torture and kangaroo courts bill is a litmus test
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:29 PM by Jack Rabbit
I think I have a right to speak up. I've seen some pretty silly litmus tests proposed here and I've spoken up against many of them. The fact is that one cannot expect any member of Congress to vote any one person's wishes all of the time. I will vote for my Congressman (Mike Thompson) in November, although he voted for the Bankruptcy Act last year. That is one vote he cast to which I take exception, but there many more votes he cast in which I am in strong agreement.

Mike Thompson voted No today. He spoke for me.

I had strong feelings about the Bankruptcy Act, but it was not a litmus test. I don't think I've ever seen a single piece of legislation in my life that I would consider a litmus test.

Until now.

The passage of a law to shield war criminals from prosecution is a war crime in itself. The passage of a law that defines war crimes as something other than war crimes is a war crime in itself. Those who stood beside Mr. Bush and his neoconservative advisers today in the House of Representatives committed a war crime when each uttered the simple word Aye. They may have removed Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and their appointed aides from the reach of federal courts, but not from the reach of an international tribunal. Those who supported Mr. Bush's position today have unnecessarily soiled themselves with his foul misdeeds and become accomplices to them.

Mr. Bush and his neoconservative aids have too long held themselves unaccountable to any law. That is part of what has brought us to this point, where we are engaged in and losing an unwise war of choice in Iraq that will go down among of the worst strategic and tactical blunders in history, where the government that is supposed to protect us from the likes of Osama and his lieutenants let them slip through there fingers in order to pursue Saddam, who was no threat, where our country has earned the scorn of the world for its now badly tarnished human rights record.

In 1945, America gave the some of the most heinous war criminals in history the benefit of a fair trial and due process. Nuremberg was a proud moment for us.

I do not believe that the allied authorities gave the Nazis their rights as a courtesy of a generous victor over a vanquished nation. This was not a courtesy. This was a recognition of human rights. Human rights are inalienable and nontransferable. One cannot be justly deprived of his human rights for any reason, even the murder of millions. To deprive one of his human rights is to stoop to the level of a war criminal.

As hard as it is to believe at times, Göring, Ribbentrop and the others were human beings. They were made of flesh and blood and all of the same stuff that you or I are made. That is all that was required of the Nazis to have entitled them to the right to a fair trial and due process. You read that right. The Nazis who stood trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity after the war were as deserving of a fair trial and due process as they were of being hanged later. Nothing else but the fact that they were born human entitled them to it; nothing could take it away from them. It's that simple.

After the war, the allied authorities on President Truman's urging did the right thing and afforded fair trials to these people knowing that several were guilty of the most hideous crimes of modern history. They were the least among all of us. But if the Nazis are entitled to justice as a universal human right, then so are those who planned the September 11 attacks and so are those who manipulated intelligence in order to garner public support for invading Iraq. So are those who may later be accused of waterboarding, setting vicious dogs on detainees, making a detainee stand hours in stress positions or other forms of torture. So are those who denied others due process by establishing kangaroo courts in which they could not examine and question the evidence against them.

Not since slavery was recognized as a valid institution or native Americans systematically murdered for their land has America done anything so shameful as pass this legislation that sailed through the House today. It is an affront to us all, Americans and foreigners, the left and right alike. The evidence against those who voted Aye is simply the roll call recording how each House member voted today on HR6166, published on line.

They have already condemned themselves.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:23 PM
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1. beautiful post, K&R-- Mike Thompson is my congressman too...
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 08:24 PM by mike_c
...so there is at least that to be proud of today. You're right-- the vote in the House today was one of the lowest points in American history in the last 60 years. I don't think most Americans understand the monstrous crime their representatives committed in their names today. If the senate does not stop it, America is lost. The most important principles of American justice will have been swept aside by people who are would give up EVERYTHING for cheap political gain.

I need to stop now, go home, and get drunk. Outrage fatigue is setting in. My country was attacked today-- attacked by turncoats whom the people trusted to safeguard them.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 08:46 PM
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2. Mike, I did not say in the last sixty years
I said ever.

I suppose I omitted interment of the Japanese Americans, but this beats even that injustice by a country mile.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:47 PM
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15. Well said. NT
NT
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:09 PM
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3. This may be the best post I've ever read on DU.
I hope you will write it up as an op-ed, or submit it to Commondreams. It deserves to be widely read.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:09 PM
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4. Bump
Thank you for seven quick recommendations!!
/s/


My mark placed here with assistance from
the University of Kansas
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:14 PM
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5. Thank you for speaking so eloquently.
I am too tired and disheartened to have much to say just now. I'm glad to have you speak for me.

k & r,
sw
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:35 PM
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6. You're welcome.
(Shameless bump)
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:01 PM
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9. Hey, I'll shamelessly bump it too... :-)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:36 PM
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10. We can keep it up all night . . .
:bounce:
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:40 PM
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7. Kicked and Rec'd
Put this on the home page. Fuckin A.

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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 09:42 PM
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8. You hit the nail on the head re: Slavery
This is the same kind of shit. This is slavery of the 21st century. Let's hope it doesn't come to a civil war!
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:36 PM
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11. POOT!
BAM!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:08 PM
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12. Good evening . . .
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:37 PM
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13. K&R
Thank you, Jack.

:kick:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:23 AM
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17. You're welcome.
!!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:42 PM
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14. THAT... Was Superb Jack !!! - Thank You !!! - K & R !!!
:kick:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:26 AM
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16. Thank you, Willy.
!!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:42 AM
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18. Good mornng
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:37 AM
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19. K&R
Can't add anything to that...damn. My God, what have we become....at least my Congresswoman (Tammy Baldwin) didn't support this, from what I've been able to dig up. I see Feingold is speaking against it...no idea what Kohlmilquetoast thinks...

Todd in Beerbratistan
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:54 AM
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20. Reid's office is taking all calls. Call now!!
Let us all act and put our money where our mouth is.

Keep this thread kicked as well:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2242307

Reid's office: 1-202-224-3542
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:00 PM
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21. They are indeed the constitutional enemies within
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:21 PM
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22. More than a comma. These times will require entire courses and texts.
"The passage of a law to shield war criminals from prosecution is a war crime in itself."

"Not since slavery was recognized as a valid institution or native Americans systematically murdered for their land has America done anything so shameful as pass this legislation that sailed through the House today. It is an affront to us all, Americans and foreigners, the left and right alike."

It's unbelievable how nonchalant they are about destroying the constitution and our freedom with it.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:06 PM
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23. Nonchalance
Is one of the most disturbing things about the last few days.

God damn it, this is not politics as usual. This is fascism.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:10 PM
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24. 160 Democrats voted No. How about revising your editorial to include them?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:32 PM
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25. I had no intention of making this a partisan matter
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 04:51 PM by Jack Rabbit
Making it that trivializes the matter. Yesterday, the House voted to gut the Geneva Conventions, suspend Habeas Corpus and all but abolish the Sixth and Eighth Amendments.

I mentioned the name of one Congressman who voted No (Mike Thompson, California-1st CD), because I live in his district. He is a Democrat. It wouldn't make any difference to me now what he is. This bill goes beyond party labels.

For the 160 Democrats who voted No, I urge their re-election.

Bernie Sanders, independent, voted No. I urge his election to the US Senate from Vermont.

For the seven Republicans who voted No, it is not going to bother me in the least if they all win.

For the 219 Republicans who voted Aye, I urge voters in their districts to defeat each and every one of them.

For the 34 Democrats who voted Aye, in an effort to stay within the rules of Democratic Underground, which I greatly respect, I make no recommedation for any race involving one of them.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:12 PM
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26. Happily, your OP demonstrates a cooler head than my own (now locked)
post of yesterday. ("PUNISH THEM!") (ahem)

Just got home from work -- this excellent post deserves another kick. My crappy, angry, and DU rules-breaking post of yesterday got lots of attention. I truly wish YOUR eloquent words would garner at least as much.

A personal note: I still have one of the essays you wrote immediately after 9/11 ("First, brand all the children") saved to my hard drive. Your writing has ALWAYS impressed me, and I'm indescribably grateful that you are still around after all these years.

Best wishes,
sw
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:15 PM
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27. Is this vote Democracy in action?
Did those in Congress who voted for the bill make a fairly accurate assessment that their constituents, on the whole, either agreed with the vote or at the very least that there would be no electoral repurcussions?

Did some see a NO vote as a political liability?

I think that those of us who oppose this monstrosity do so with a passion, while many who don't are tepid or apathetic about it.

But just the same -- was this vote an accurate reflection of the American people represented by this Congress? If so, woe unto America, for it has condemned itself.

P.S. Jack:
I don't think it is possible to state the case better thab you did in your essay. It deserves -- no -- it DEMANDS the widest possible audience.

big time K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:57 PM
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28. Exactly. This is like repealing 4 or 5 of the 10 Commandants.
Anybody voting for it can go to Hell.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:23 PM
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29. Kick
This one needs to be kept up.
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