If I thought it would work, I might forswear marriage equality

[dsc]

Honestly. Admittedly given the state of my love life it isn't all that much a hardship but that could change. But it won't work. There are three classes of people on this issue. One class who want no same-sex relationship of any type recognized by anyone at anytime. One class who favor state recognition of same-sex relationships. And one class who don't give a damn. Honestly the third class is by far the most numerous. But make no mistake about this the first group won't be compromised with. No civil unions, no domestic partnerships, no benefits on the job, they want nothing.

Marriage is not the biggest issue for many gays and lesbians. Many of us can be fired simply for being gay. Many of us can be denied public accomodation simply due to being gay. Those are at least arguably bigger issues. But our enemies don't want job protection or public accomodation laws either. People who call people fag publicly, as people at the FRC recently did, hate gays. They don't think we might be evil, they think we embody evil.

There is no compromise for them, we need to behave the same way. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Forget morality and loyalty. It simply won't work. They won't accept half a loaf. They won't accept the whole loaf. They want the bakery and the wheat field.

[MadMaddie]

1. Agreed......they are getting bolder and using more derogatory

language.....same thing happend in Nazi Germany.....next they will be advocating attacks on Gays and anyone that supports or are friends....

[JerseygirlCT]

2. Forgive me if I'm butting in here

(As a straight person)

But to me, it's just a far bigger issue than marriage. Marriage equality is just a symbol for basic human rights. If we're willing to throw gays and lesbians overboard to reach some sort of uneasy accomodation with bigots, who's next?

The principle of the thing is what matters. Are gay and lesbian citizens not fully human? Fully citizens? There is not one single good reason to deny marriage equity. Not a one. It's an excuse to treat one segment of our society as less than fully entitled b/c of who they are. That's just wrong.

[dsc]

3. I agree

but for some winning is the only thing. We can't win if we back down.

[JerseygirlCT]

5. No, we can't

And we can only concede the principle of it that way. Either people are entirely people or they're not. These aren't rights to be bestowed on them by those of us who "are" entirely people... they're their rights, period. Because they're human. To start incrementalizing it just gives it all away.

[EFerrari]

8. So right, JerseygirlCT.

We don't give an inch -- not an inch of the human value or human rights of ONE of us.

[BattyDem]

7. Exactly!

I can't improve upon your post, so I'll simply add my voice to it ... if you don't mind. :hi:

[JerseygirlCT]

9. Thanks!

And if I could ever figure out those smilies and send a wave back at you!

[Warpy]

4. originalpckelly came up with the perfect meme

Our greatest tool is ridicule. He suggested "Born Yesterday Christians."

Says it all, doesn't it? Damned fools who can be whipped into a self defeating frenzy by any guy in a pompadour and shiny suit, people who probably know gay people and find them perfectly pleasant, but it's all those nasty people in San Francisco, land of fruits and nuts, who have to be controlled or Gawd will rain down burning sulfur on us like he did on Sodom and Gomorrah (never mind he did that to them because they were inhospitable to his angels).

You're right about not attempting to compromise with them. You simply can't. There is no way such fools CAN compromise, since their world is one of black and white and utter certainty bounded by whatever their pompadoured preacher says it is.

We can't compromise, we can't reason. I suggest ridicule.

[Mojambo]

6. Born Yesterday Christians... I LOVE that. n/t