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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:18 PM
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Are you willing to die to save your country?
yes or no.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:19 PM
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1. Yes
Not the land, but the idea.
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gator_in_Ontario Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:34 PM
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interesting
I was thinking the land and the idea, but not the feeling of superiority
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:20 PM
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2. I think I'm going to find out soon.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:24 PM
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7. then your answer is yes
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:20 PM
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3. No, this country, in its current state, is not worth it.
IMHO
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:21 PM
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4. No. But I appreciate those who do.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:22 PM
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5. yes
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:23 PM
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6. Yes
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:24 PM
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8. Nope. I'd do what Woody Allen proposed in "Love and Death".
I would flee. F-L-E-A. Flee.

I come from a long line of flee-ers.
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:24 PM
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9. I would rather live and talk about saving my counrty
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:34 PM
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20. that's cool
but we've been talking for 6 years now.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:25 PM
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10. Not anymore...I'd leave if I could afford it
and spend my remaining years in blissful ignorance in French Polynesia, combing the beach and reading 19th century English novels.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:26 PM
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11. Dying to save your country is easy
Living to save it is a lot harder.
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:28 PM
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14. Excellent..
thank you.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:31 PM
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17. I love that quote,
That would be a great sig line. And all should adopt that attitude. May I borrow that?
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:41 PM
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25. Please feel free, human knowledge should be freely shared n/t
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:32 PM
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18. This is how I feel.
I think if conscripted, I'd serve, but I'd far rather be a part of the process of making my country safe in a different way. One that might require constant care--educating, speaking out, encouraging the American ideal (as in--the Bill of Rights freedoms and so on).
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:26 PM
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12. No
A country is an abstraction.

Maybe for someone I loved or for a principle, but not for acreage.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:28 PM
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15. ok then, the ideas that are embodied in the constitution of the
united states.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:53 PM
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39. For whose benefit?

For the $160K/year numnut middle manager asshole that cut me off in his SUV on the way to a sporting event and if I were starving on the corner would tell me to "get a job?" No.

Ideals aren't worth dying for unless the beneficiaries are too. "Not a good Samaritan" exception to the "love thy neighbor" clause.

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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:28 PM
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13. Interesting question
From whom? Would that enemy be an illusory external bogeyman or the very real threat of the internal threat who does not at all appear to be like "The Other."

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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:30 PM
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16. For freedom, yes.
For this country... no.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:33 PM
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19. No.
I don't have the time to go into detail right now, but ... no.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:34 PM
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21. Like General Patton said
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/General_George_S._Patton%2C_Jr

Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. :evilgrin:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:36 PM
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22. you know very well
that much blood will be shed. Ours and theirs.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:26 AM
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48. Yeaaaas, I sorta like what Patton...
had to say on the topic.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:37 PM
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23. Not any longer...
Not this country...

I spent 39 months in combat for the wrong country way back when.

I am willing to die only for my loved ones.

Not beliefs.

Not principles.

Not patriotism.

Not goodness.

Not Ideals.

Not nothing...

Just for the ones who mean something to me and me to them.

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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:38 PM
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24. Save it from what?
I'll die to save my children's America from authoritarian rule. I'm not sure I'd die to save it from a clear majority of dunces who neither understand nor care to understand what this country is all about.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:42 PM
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26. Yes, but this country isn't mine any more.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:43 PM
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27. In 2000 and 2004 yes, today maybe a leg. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 10:48 PM
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28. That's what the dead soldiers thought they were dying for.
How sad is that?
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:06 PM
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29. I would die to save our Constitution. Not necessarily the...
unConstitutional mess that appears to be evolving here.

sadly,
Bright
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:14 PM
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30. I've been through this
but would do it again if I thought they'd take care of my Mom.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:15 PM
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31. I refuse to die and will save my country.
nt
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:16 PM
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32. No.
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 11:16 PM by StellaBlue
Edited to add:

and the world would be a better place if no one was willing to die or kill for any ideas.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:19 PM
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33. it depends...
if it means my kids will have a chance at freedom...you bet
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:33 PM
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34. Not any more. n/t
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:36 PM
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35. I'd be willing to die if jackbooted thugs rammed down my door.
And I'd take as many of them with me as possible.

If I can sell my properties i tis housing crash - off to New Zealand. If I have to stay here, well at least I have many thousands of rounds of ammo for self-defense.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:38 PM
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36. My beloved America is dead.
Edited on Wed Sep-27-06 11:51 PM by Dem2theMax
(Edited to add)

In Brown v. Vasquez, 952 F.2d 1164, 1166 (9th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 112 S.Ct. 1778 (1992), the court observed that the Supreme Court has "recognized the fact that`the writ of habeas corpus is the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action.' Harris v. Nelson, 394 U.S. 286, 290-91 (1969). " Therefore, the writ must be "administered with the initiative and flexibility essential to insure that miscarriages of justice within its reach are surfaced and corrected." Harris, 394 U.S. at 291.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm


Like I said, my America is dead.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:40 PM
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37. This goddamn place isn't looking anything like my country any
more. Hell no! I wouldn't wanna die for these son of a bitches. I may croak fighting the bastards though!
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 11:51 PM
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38. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...
I hope if it ever comes down to these two options, i will stand up and die for what i believe is right.

I know that the battle for this country is really a battle against a group that does not care about the poor, the elderly, the children, the sick, the hungry, the abused, the dead...in this country or any other. Their victims are not only their perceived enemies. They send their own nation's children to die for profit. I feel responsibility. I feel responsibility for all those who are terrorized by my nations hand. They died, grieved and starved while i lived, loved and ate. The mess belongs to me.

I did not vote for them, I never supported them, i spoke out against them at every turn BUT I DID NOT STOP THEM. Others have paid the price for my nations folly and i am ashamed. I watched as my country attempted to force others to live on their knees. They are dying on their feet every day. Other peoples children are already living the nightmare i fear for my children.

If i do not fight for my country, my country will continue to lie, steal destroy and kill IN MY NAME. Yes, i would die for my country, so my own children won't and other people's children do not have to...anymore.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:20 AM
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40. Hell no.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:22 AM
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41. Yes
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 12:25 AM by Marie26
But I suggest canvassing & volunteering first. It's all very melodramatic & noble to talk about dying for your country, but it doesn't mean much if people aren't willing to do the small things in their everyday lives to change things.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:45 AM
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42. Not. A. Chance.
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:47 AM
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43. I'd die for the world.
And nothing else.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:47 AM
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44. I'm still thinking about it n/t
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:53 AM
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45. i'm willing to live to restore its dream.
that's harder.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:17 AM
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46. No.
A country is a granfalloon.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:22 AM
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47. I guess that is a question I will be asked until I die
I put actions in place of words years ago
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