So... we should leave "Under God " in the pledge and

[Marr]

"In God We Trust" on the money because they're traditions at this point, dating back to the 1950's.

But it's ok to ditch Habeas Corpus, the most fundamental right that our entire legal tradition is founded on, which dates back to the year 1215 because it's... inconvenient?

I'm missing something here.

[Erika]

1. No, you got it right

W just turned everything right upside down.

[ms liberty]

2. The pledge should say "Under the Constitution" not "Under God"

But yea, apparently 800 years of common law is "quaint" and "outdated"...you know, all that pre-9/11 thinking.

Excuse me, I need to go hurl now.

[benddem]

3. you are so right

when I say the pledge...which is all too often these days...I don't say "under God." A small protest but a protest none the less.

[rpannier]

4. 'In God We Trust

actually dates back to the 1860's.

But it doesn't weaken your position. You are still fundamentally correct.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/coinageg.htm

Since the Act of 1837 proscribed any mottoes other than those enacted,
Pollock and his pals slipped in a seemingly innocuous amendment to the
Act in the form of "An Act in Amendment of an Act entitled, 'An Act
Relating to Foreign Coins and the Coinage of Cents at the Mint of
the United States,' approved February twenty-one, eighteen hundred
and fifty-seven," was passed by Congress on April 22, 1864. That
Act read as follows:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of American in Congress assembled, that, from and
after the passage of this act, the standard weight of the cent
coined at the mint of the United States shall be forty-eight grains,
or one tenth of one ounce troy; and said cent shall be composed of
ninety-five per centum of tin and zinc, in such proportions as shall
be determined by the director of the mint; and there shall be from
time to time struck and coined at the mint a two-cent piece of the
same composition, the standard weight of which shall be ninety-six
grains, or one fifth of one ounce troy, with no greater deviation
than four grains to each piece of said cent and two-cent coins; and
the shape , MOTTOES , and devices
of said coins shall be fixed by the DIRECTOR OF THE MINT ,
with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury; and the laws now
in force relating to the coinage of cents and providing for the
purchase of material and prescribing the appropriate duties of the
officers of the mint and the Secretary of the Treasury be, and the
same are hereby, extended to the coinage provided for."

Bingo! Pollock now had carte blanche to Christianize our coins. he
minted 26+ million two-cent pieces with his motto. Having his foot
in the door, his pals presented the shotgun to cover all our money
with Jesus with, "An Act to authorize the Coinage of Three-Cent
pieces, and for other Purposes," passed by Congress on March 3,
1865, Section Five of that Act being:

"And be it further enacted, That, in addition to the devices and
legends upon the gold, silver, and other coines of the United
States, it shall be lawful for the director of the mint, with the
approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, to cause the motto 'In
God We Trust' to be placed upon such coins hereafter to be issued
as shall admit of such legend thereon."

[me b zola]

8. It was wrong then too

[gumby]

5. The House of Representatives just passed a bill

that would essentially eliminate any lawsuits against the "Under God" etc. on public property. (I think this happened today)

In their great wisdom, the House ruled that anyone bringing a case against the Government for a civil rights infringement on religious grounds will not be awarded attorney's fees even if that anyone wins the case.

This new "religious" exception is basically an anti-ACLU law.

Now, only bazillionaires can challenge civil rights violations by the Government on "religious" grounds.

edit: this isn't "law" yet until the Senate passes it also.

[valerief]

6. Five more years it'll read "Under Jesus." Just wait. n/t

[Der Blaue Engel]

7. You really think it'll take five years?

I think it will be much sooner.

[valerief]

9. Yeah, I guess I'm just a cockeyed optimist! The coup d'etat was

accomplished in 2000 with the Congressional and Judicial enablers. Pretty soon, though, we won't even need money. They never paid slaves.