Did JFK know?

[Dover]

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2006/09/voice-from-grave_02.html

This country is now in the hands of the secret group described by JFK. Does anyone doubt it or still think the Democrats are going to save us? What the hell are WE going to do??!!!!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. The Last Great President?

Listening to JFK makes me wonder how we'll ever recover. We've fallen so far.

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. The only way is to expose the lies and the liars, but when you do,

be prepared for this: There are some well to do Republicans who know as much as we do about the machinations that are controlling this country, they also know about the divisive tactics that the Republicans use to churn chaos in order to remain in control, and those well to do Republicans are okay with it. When I finally managed to get through to a Republican two years ago about the crap that we all know now about Bush's dirty tricks into getting us into a war of choice, his response was immediate. He basically said that the other side (Muslims) do it too, and that they want to take over the world and kill every one of us. He was absolutely fine with Bush lying to us, because he thought that we had to fight the Muslims, sooner or later. And this guy wasn't religious. But he was a greedy son of a bitch that wanted to accumulate wealth.

[Cobalt-60]

2. Fight on until we can't

I've considered pulling out, fleeing to Canada or, ideally, New Zealand.
I cant afford it.
So pour yourself a nice Molotov cocktail and get ready to dance.

[rman]

3. I think so, it's just that he underestimated their power

Otherwise he'd have realized that firing the head of the CIA wouldn't make much difference - except to piss them off.

[Selatius]

4. Eisenhower seemed to have left the same warning

The only difference is Eisenhower left the warning at the end of his term in power. He lived. JFK didn't.

[Kenergy]

5. Thank you for that post

JFK has been and continues to be the role model for my political ideals.
He may not have been a perfect President, but he is miles better than any repug resident we've
had in my lifetime. I wish we had someone with 1/10 the wisdom that he and Eisenhower had in the
Oval Office today.
The Bush misAdministration is an absolute disgrace to our country.

[INdemo]

13. The problem is there are about 37% of Americans that worship this guy

nuff said.......

[VOX]

6. Should be compulsory listening for everyone, so they would hear...

the words and thoughts of a **real** leader, who believed in doing the right thing for all Americans.

:thumbsup:

[Dover]

7. He also says he has faith that the American people will resist

the kind of assault on our country that he describes and is now in evidence. But have we?

[livvy]

9. Excellent clip.

I've always found it strange. I was a pretty little kid when Kennedy was the President. My parents did not like him at all, but I always did. Even as a kid, who knew nothing about politics, I remember liking the things he said, and he made me feel safe.
I have often wondered about this difference of opinion. Most little kids think pretty much the same as Mom and Dad. I don't remember ever talking about it with my folks, but I distinctly remember thinking they weren't right about Kennedy.
This clip takes me back. No wonder I liked him.

[KnaveRupe]

10. Speaking of the prophetic JFK:

There's http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/09/born-in-time-part-one.html">this:

You've seen the story of the presidential doodles. There are many odd and revealing examples, such as GHW Bush's "any more dead ones?" (ABC News says his sad and teary face "gives the note a bit of melancholy, or maybe humor," appropriately ambiguous for a man of shimmering surface and black depths), but the one perhaps receiving the most notice hasn't even been reproduced online. It's a page from John F Kennedy, on which he's written, repeatedly, "9-11," and underscored the word "conspiracy" next to it.

I'm just sayin'....

;)

[INdemo]

14. This is all about the Republican power group and it is very interesting

reading...This group appears to even greater power today..Its scary

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html

[Swamp Rat]

11. yes

[Jensen]

12. WOW!!!

I will send this clip to my Senator, also Ted Kennedy and Keith Olberman!
This voice from the grave should be replayed over and over again!:applause:

[Octafish]

15. One name crops up since the hour of JFK's assassination...

...BUSH. Poppy told the FBI he was in DALLAS that day.

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

Here's the document:



Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Here's background:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbushG.htm

Here's where to get more information:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/George_H.W._Bush_JFK_assassination_letter



So. Do you wonder why America is in the shape it's in?

[fed-up]

17. better watch out for students that are "active in political matters" n/t

[garthranzz]

16. The whole speech is even more impressive

JFK asks the press to examine its standards, to consider the needs of national security before printing a story. But he pledges no government censorship; further, he pledges government co-operation with the press's recommendations. He says, in essence, consider national security before printing a story, let's work together, give me honest criticism, I trust you.

What a difference! Imagine, a president actually trusting the people - in fact, not just lip service. Imagine a president confident enough to welcome constructive criticism and willing to admit, learn from and correct error.

And here I thought those characteristics disqualified one to be president.

[Dover]

18. Thanks for the responses...BUT

I wasn't looking for pledges to call senators, send the clip to someone in the media, rehash his assassination, or look back nostalgically. I want to know what WE plan to DO? That's the discussion I'm looking for.

[HamdenRice]

19. Sorry, but you all are completely misinterpreting this speech

Sorry but both the creator of this video and most of you on this thread have misinterpreted Kennedy's speech. By the graphics, the video implies that the vast secretive conspiracy that Kennedy is talking about is some domestic, neo-Nazi force that prefigures the Bush administration.

While I sympathize with the criticism of the secretive criminal conspiracy that has taken over our country, that is not what Kennedy was talking about.

John F. Kennedy was a virulent anti-communist -- to the point of recklessness -- and this speech is about Soviet communism, not some internal threat. He is contrasting the openness of American society, its free press and dissent-based politics to the closed, secretive politics of the Soviets. The forces that he is criticizing for "infiltrating" by night are not the Masons or Skull and Bones or some other such domestic conspiracy, but the communist party, which Kennedy and the anti-communists believed had adopted a model of infiltration of domestic organizations around the world.

Basically this speech is a call by Kennedy to the press to use its open, inquisitive, investigate structure to scrutinize both the US government and communist governments so that their readers around the world would come to the "natural" conclusion that the US system is superior to the communist system.

While the production values of this video are admirable, the message is very misleading.

[rman]

21. "Kennedy Sought Dialogue with Cuba" (i think you're mistaken)

Kennedy Sought Dialogue with Cuba
INITIATIVE WITH CASTRO ABORTED BY ASSASSINATION, DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS SHOW
Oval Office Tape Reveals Strategy to hold clandestine Meeting in Havana; Documents record role of ABC News correspondent Lisa Howard as secret intermediary in Rapprochement effort
Posted - November 24, 2003
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm

Washington D.C. - On the 40th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and the eve of the broadcast of a new documentary film on Kennedy and Castro, the National Security Archive today posted an audio tape of the President and his national security advisor, McGeorge Bundy, discussing the possibility of a secret meeting in Havana with Castro. The tape, dated only seventeen days before Kennedy was shot in Dallas, records a briefing from Bundy on Castro's invitation to a U.S. official at the United Nations, William Attwood, to come to Havana for secret talks on improving relations with Washington. The tape captures President Kennedy's approval if official U.S. involvement could be plausibly denied.

The possibility of a meeting in Havana evolved from a shift in the President's thinking on the possibility of what declassified White House records called "an accommodation with Castro" in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Proposals from Bundy's office in the spring of 1963 called for pursuing "the sweet approach…enticing Castro over to us," as a potentially more successful policy than CIA covert efforts to overthrow his regime. Top Secret White House memos record Kennedy's position that "we should start thinking along more flexible lines" and that "the president, himself, is very interested in ." Castro, too, appeared interested. In a May 1963 ABC News special on Cuba, Castro told correspondent Lisa Howard that he considered a rapprochement with Washington "possible if the United States government wishes it. In that case," he said, "we would be agreed to seek and find a basis" for improved relations.

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It very much looks like JFK was not nearly as anti-communist as the fascist faction in the US power structure.
Why else would Kennedy have turned down plan A for an invasion of Cuba; a plan far worse than the Bay of Pigs invasion - and why would he at the last minute have withheld military support for the Bay of Pigs invasion (which was plan B), especially given that both plans were conceived and promoted by the fascist faction?
Why would JFK instead have planned a secret diplomatic meeting with Castro?

[HamdenRice]

22. I think you are missing the point of my post

My post is simply about the meaning of the Kennedy speech linked in the OP. The video, the OP and almost all the posts in this thread suggest that Kennedy was warning about a secretive group within the US. It isn't. The speech is about Kennedy's view of communism as a movement that works through secretive infiltration.

As for Kennedy's seeking a meeting with Castro and softening toward Cuba and communism in general, I don't doubt it at all and it is not inconsistent with my post. After the Cuban missile crisis, I think Kennedy realized a number of things -- first that there was a an even more reckless, right wing, manipulative, fanatically anti-communist faction in the Pentagon that was willing to start, or even manipulate the president into starting, a nuclear world war III; and second, that he had to seek some kind of accomodation with the Soviets -- something he started at the height of the crisis, through a "back channel" via Bobby Kennedy and the KGB, directly to Kruschev.

That Kennedy became softer on communism in no way contradicts my main point -- which is that the speech in the video is about communism, not about any faction or conspiracy within the US.

[rman]

23. It looks the audio of the video linked in the OP is an *edited version*

of a speech by JFK which is indeed about communism. Though one would never know by listing to the youtube video.

The addressing of the audience is almost identical in both speeches, except for the mention of "Mr Chairman". There is a long pause between "Mr. Chairman" and "ladies and gentlemen", and they way in which JFK says "ladies and gentlemen" is 100% identical in both audio tracks. Other parts of both audio tracks are also identical, but the original (or what appears to be the original) includes segments that are not in the youtube version.


John F. Kennedy Speeches
"The President and the Press" (April 27, 1961)
Transcript: http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/diglibrary/prezspeeches/kennedy/jfk_1961_0427.html
MP3: ftp://webstorage2.mcpa.virginia.edu/library/nara/jfk/audiovisual/speeches/jfk_1961_0427_press.mp3

The speech opens differently:

"Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen:

I appreciate very much your generous invitation to be here tonight.

You bear heavy responsibilities these days and an article I read some time ago reminded me of how particularly heavily the burdens of present day events bear upon your profession.

You may remember that in 1851 t. he New York Herald Tribune, under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx.

We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and Managing Editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating."

But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath to the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war."

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"I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.

This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy."

The first segment in the youtube video starts at a little over 6:20 in the original. Again the pronunciation of the words is 100% identical in both audio tracks:

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions"...

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It looks like someone has distorted this JFK speech.

[HamdenRice]

24. Thanks for the info ... the video still works

as a metaphor. In other words, the creators of the video could say that everything Kennedy was saying about the communists is true of the republicans. But they should be up front about it.

[Sancho]

20. Amazing

JFK was a prophet on this post. No one should miss it...