name all the people who are rolling over in their graves

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

because of this torture bill.


i'll start... all the vets who fought World War 2.

[derby378]

1. Including everyone who was part of the Bataan Death March

My father-in-law, for one...

:mad:

[mtnester]

20. A friend of mine recently lost his grandma, who was also part

of the Bataan Death March, and only in her later years did she agree to speak about it.

[Arkham House]

2. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin, Paine...

...you get the idea...

[derby378]

27. Yeah, that whole Eighth Amendment noise is so 18th Century

:mad:

[acmavm]

3. Our Founding Fathers, the signers of the Geneva Convention

accord, any rational and civilized and humane person that ever lived...

[bryant69]

4. Walt Whitman

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Eisenhower

[JHB]

6. Actually, don't mention them...

...or else Smirky and Snarly will just dig them up and use them for oil drill bits.

[Atman]

7. I don't have all their names, but I have a picture

These poor, poor souls appear to have given their lives in vain.

[HereSince1628]

9. I had that thought myself. You said it much better

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

11. a picture worth a thousand words

[liberal N proud]

25. Amen

[HereSince1628]

8. All dead veterans who fought for "The American Way!"

There should be a veritable seismic shuffle recorded around the world.

[bdamomma]

10. my dad and my uncles who fought in WW2

this is truly disgusting what these thugs are doing to us and this country, we must no longer remain silent.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

12. Watching Chris Dodd on C-Span 2 right now, I'll add Justice Jackson

from the Nuremburg Trials.

I am so glad that my father, my uncles (all WWII vets) and most importantly my best friend's Uncle Bill (a survivor of the Bataan Death March) are not alive to watch and listen this morning.

How far has the US fallen??? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Captain Hilts]

28. and I'll think of Spencer Tracy's speech at the end of the movie.

And, yes, Spencer Tracy would be livid at what Congress has done.

[Burma Jones]

13. Lincoln

The guy ran for President in the middle of an insurrection.....

[StellaBlue]

14. THOMAS PAINE

My hero.

[Captain Hilts]

15. George C. Marshall, Eleanor Roosevelt, nt

[cspanlovr]

16. I called my Rep yesterday and told him that I never thought I

would ever think, much less say, that I'm glad my father and uncle are dead, and spared this horrible shame and pain. They were WW II vets. My father, a Marine Sgt., in the Pacific, & my uncle who was at Normandy on D Day. Believe me, this would be enough to make them both cry.

[sui generis]

17. There are millions of Americans who are still alive who are

"rolling" around too.

Why is it that a few disgusting authoritarian fascist flawed humans get to set the policy?

I am so disgusted with the democrats who are supporting this I'm ready to walk away from the party. I do NOT want some freak-ass republican to say "you democrats support it too", because that's where I part company.

What the hell do we stand for anyway?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. John McCain

he's obviously dead, as the real USN Lt. Cmdr. John McCain would never have allowed this.
That John McCain is dead.

[grizmaster]

19. Whoever authored the Magna Carta

[bananas]

21. Albert Einstein and Carl Sagan.

[Marie26]

22. Supreme Court justices

"Big Brother in the form of an increasingly powerful government and
in an increasingly powerful private sector will pile the records high
with reasons why privacy should give way to national security, to law
and order, to efficiency of operation, to scientific advancement and
the like."

"A people who extend civil liberties only to preferred groups
start down the path either to dictatorship of the right or the left."

Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace,
and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution,has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority."

Justice David Davis

"Men have discovered no technique for long preserving free government except that the executive be under the law."

Justice Robert H. Jackson

"It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is."

Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison.

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect 'domestic security.' Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent."

Justice Powell

"The writ of habeas corpus is the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action. Its pre-eminent role is recognized by the admonition in the constitution that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended. U.S. Const. art. I, § 9, cl. 2. The scope and flexibility of the writ -- its capacity to reach all manner of illegal detention -- its ability to cut through barriers of form and procedural mazes -- have always been emphasized and jealously guarded by courts and lawmakers. The very nature of the writ demands that it be administered with the initiative and flexibility essential to insure that miscarriages of justice within its reach are surfaced and corrected.

Justice Fortas, Harris v. Nelson.

"Ultimately all the questions boil down to one -Whether we as a people will try fearfully and futilely to preserve democracy by adopting totalitarian methods, or whether in accordance with out traditions, and our constitution we will have the confidence and courage to be free."

Hugo L. Black

[jackster]

23. FDR & Eleanor,

JFK, RFK, Lincoln, Teddy R, the list could go on and on......

[madmusic]

24. Orwell Rolls in His Grave

http://www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/index.htm

[dogday]

26. My Grandfather-A WWII Medic who was wounded

and received the purple heart... Who help many men to live, and comforted those who died, would be absolutely furious over this.... He knows the blood shed for our constitution....

[walldude]

29. Bill Hicks...

Mark Twain..

[spuddonna]

30. Especially all the vets who helped liberate the camps in WWII...

They saw the results of mass torure on behalf of a authoritarian state...