Senate hearings on Militry hearings of detaines Official thread (so so

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1. Levin is thanking Dodd for his 'passionate statements.

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2. proceeding on Specter amendment

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3. Jon Kyl is up. He is opposed to Specter amendment

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4. k

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5. k

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6. Earlier post on DU said that Harry Reid asked all to call their Senators

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8. k

[sabra]

7. thanks for the updates.

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9. listen to it on the net here:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

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11. I heard that Bush and Cheney themseves were on the hill to talk to Repugs

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

10. Thanks for doing this.

Far too many threads for this most important debate.

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12. thanks. help me keep this kicked or it will get buried (I only have dial

up)

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13. Specter talking. I am glad to see he is has NOT caved for once.

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14. something about the distinction of aliens and citizens

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15. Leahy up

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16. k

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17. k

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18. k

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19. k

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20. Habias provides us with constitutional protections says Leahy which

will be gone unless specters amendment is passed.

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21. Leahy asked if Senators have forgoten their oath of office.

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23. says 'enemy combatant' was re-defined in the dead of night behind

closed doors.

[hang a left]

22. Good job Rodeodance

Thanks

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24. says this bill will tear down the liberites of this country!

[malaise]

25. He's great.

Go Leahy!!

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28. he says lots of vague BROAD language in the bill

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29. says: THIS IS SO WRONG!---it is UN-American.

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boy, he is really dishing it out to the WH!

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32. says Congress does not have the COURAGE to say NO.

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33. it is IMMORAL says Leahy. pushing thru the Bush-Cheney bill.

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35. says America will be a WEAKER nation cause we will turn our back on

the constitution if bill is passed.

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36. says this bill is much WORSE than the Patriot bill

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37. this bill does not suspend HC but throws it out the window.

[cali]

84. We may not agree on much

but that Leahy is great on these issues is one place we're in solid agreement. I can't remember a time when I've felt sadder about the future of this country. I just can't believe this will pass. I don't want to believe it.

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26. says it is a no wonder other that other countries are asking WHAT the

heck is going on in our great country!

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27. says this Habious is RETROspective (pending cases)

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

34. Senator Leahy just hit the nail on the head.

This is all about "not embarrassing the Bush-Cheney administration".

"Voucher for future wrong-doing".

"Turn our back on our Constitution."

[WinkyDink]

30. Leahy is RIGHTEOUS! Quoting "A Man for All Seasons"! Awesome!

(Habeas)

[malaise]

31. Stunningly brilliant

Thank you Patrick Leahy!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

38. How bout it. That's one movie that everyone needs to see.

Especially right now..

[malaise]

39. I've seen it about

10 times. Love it.

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40. He asked several times: WHAT HAS MADE US SO SCARED.

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41. whow-says there is no new nat. secur. crisis but a REpUG crisis (election)

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42. says this is a PRE-1215 mentality (magna carta)

[malaise]

43. Unfuggingconstitutional

Tell them Leahy!

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44. all Senators should be ashamed after hearing this

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45. that weasel Jeff Sessions is talking.

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47. saying we passed a law 'for the left' ??? missed what it was.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

46. Jeff Sessions is a complete moron.

Compliticitness? Is that even a word???

Lord, give me patience...

[TayTay]

48. Session, the man for whom the word twerp was invented.

He is just awful.

[WinkyDink]

51. I can see him like Himmler: going to see the torture, but getting

queasy at the first scream.

[WinkyDink]

49. Go, Russ! But---why do we need to pass ANY new laws in this WoT?

I'm waiting to see the righteous anger.

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50. whow. that is my senator-Russ Feingld saying that we would not be here

if the WH had worked in Congress in the first place.

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52. He OPPOSES this bill (as you all knew he would)

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54. this bill remains "deeply flawed"

[ShortnFiery]

55. Then someone please FILIBUSTER n/t

[dogday]

53. Go Russ

He said he came to Washington to defend the constitution....

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56. he is one of a only a few who does defend the constitution

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57. GO RUSS

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58. te he -- he quoted Asscroft--saying at least Tim McVeigh had a fair trial

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61. also said Bush Distracted by Irag-now wants a rushed bill

[dogday]

59. My Senator up now... Bush Cheerleader

calling his office is such a waste of time, but I do it anyway....

[Avalux]

60. Barf - Cornyn up - gonna explain 'myths' of the legislation -

need to get to the facts and truth so people can understand what it's all about. x(

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86. i wish he would puff away

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

62. Where did Cornyn go to law school??

What university actually gave this asswipe a JD??

[CornField]

63. Sen. Kit Bond -- ugh!

Talking about how we cannot protect Americans from attacks unless we torture.

(If you don't let us do this, you'll die.)

[MrCoffee]

64. Kit Bond is hosting the 9/11! Terra! 9/11 show on the Senate floor.

[A wise Man]

65. Kit Bond

How in the H... did these jackasses get to lead this country?

[CornField]

66. "We're anxious to move to a vote..." Sen. John Warner (Virginia)

Campaigning is always much more important than the actual business of the nation.

[CornField]

67. Sen. Feinstein has the floor for gen. debate

"The war in Iraq and the war against terror has forced our country to fight an atraditional enemy... they have also challenged us... to see if we can abide by the bedrock of our Constitution. ... It sends a message to other countries and will ultimately dictate how our own soldiers and citizens abroad will be treated."

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Mentioning the other bill and tying the GOP Senators and Representatives directly to the White House in the writing of this bill.

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68. Adding that torture has been proven as an unreliable tactic

LOL -- she's speaking to the floor as if she was addressing a group of kindergarteners ("I don't know why people don't listen...")

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70. R. Oregon, Smith. is up . he seems to oppose it?

[CornField]

71. Yes -- on the grounds of habeas corpus

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73. i had to leave for a while. glad to see him oppose it.

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75. But says he WILL vote for the Full bill

[CornField]

74. BASTARD! He is voting for the bill -- will let the courts sort it out

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80. Levin. We have a chance to do the right thng and not leave it to the Court

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69. Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Oregon) -- sounds a bit wishy-washy at first

Talking about the rule of law and the superiority of our Democracy... says he is concerned about the provisions of Habeas Corpus

[MrCoffee]

72. WOO HOO Sen. Smith! Go on with your bad self!!

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76. He's still going to vote for it

as is. Great speech. Completely pointless.

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77. Sen. Carl Levin -- D-Michigan

Supports the amendment which seeks to banish the habeas corpus provision in the bill.

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79. "Congress is attempting to write a blank check to the Exec. Branch"

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78. this thread needs a few more RECOMENDATions please it is getting

buried.

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82. still talking of Specter-Leahy Amendment

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83. Lindsey Grahm is against the amendment

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85. Lindsey "My moral compass is just fine" Graham

:puke:

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89. some one dropped his compass cause it is not working

[WinkyDink]

81. I'm waiting to hear GREATNESS! I'm waiting to hear a LION ROAR.

I'm waiting for a MLK!

[MrCoffee]

87. Obama did just that yesterday evening.

[WinkyDink]

93. Sorry! I missed that! Just turned on these hearing this a.m.

[CornField]

88. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-So Carolina)

"My moral compass is very much in tact... tried to balance the interest of our troops and our country...

"Why do we want to take habeas off the table and replace it with something else? ... This is not a role the judiciary should be making... believe the military of our country is more qualified to determine who a military combatant is...

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He's using the detainment of Japanese Americans as DEFENSE for his views!!!

He also just referred to "habeas CAPAS" -- LOL!

[MrCoffee]

90. "The CSRT is Geneva compliant, in my opinion". - Too bad SCOTUS

disagrees with your horseshit opinion, Lindsey

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92. In his opinion, judges should just keep their nose out of it.

Let the military sort out those they don't kill.

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94. Specter is countering Grahmn. saying if Fed. courts do not have the

power, then who does?

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91. Sounds like they are getting ready to vote on the amendment...

GOP is really pushing for them to get on with it.

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98. yup the minutes are winding down for this amendment

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95. Sen. Specter has the floor -- sorry wasn't following what he was saying

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99. Talking about his criminal litigation days... in relation to 4th Amendment

Now he is listing the decision which came down from the courts which limited his ability -- says those decisions may have limited, but helped the overall judicial process.

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96. can someone please make a # 2 Offical thread (i have to leave soon and

this one is getting long for up dial uppers_\
thanks in advance

[The Witch]

97. I'm here, specter up, will anyone listen to him?

Terrr! Terrr! Be afraid! Your neighbor is a terrrist! Don't eat those brownies she baked... trust us! There's a new threat out there!! It's worse than anything else!! AAAUUUUGGGHHH!!!

:rant:

OK. Feel better now.

[MrCoffee]

101. Specter is doing a great job marshalling the defense of his amendment.

I give him credit for that.

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100. Thanks Mr. Specter for this amendment.

[The Witch]

102. "rebellion or invasion" clause; aliens covered by habeas - Arlen

Arlen Specter -- when will Senator Hide!!! show up?

http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/The_Witch/354279

[CornField]

103. NEW THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2243468&mesg_id=2243468

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104. Locking.

New thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2243468&mesg_id=2243468