Tell us when we're allowed to compare Bush to Hitler.

[rug]

[LynnTheDem]

1. It's a bodycount thang; can't do the comparison until bush has caused

a million deaths. Never mind that everything bush has done equates to everything Hitler did in the years leading up to Hitler's mass exterminations.

bush hasn't killed as many yet, so he's not to be compared to that other christofascist.

[rug]

3. Let's start a Hitler-o-meter then.

I'll start it at July 1934.

[malaise]

5. Add 69 more Iraqis to today's list

of people who have been rewarded with freedom from life.

Bush is a fuggign fascist. That's old news.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. By that logic you couldn't compare Hitler to Hitler

until after WWII had started.

[LynnTheDem]

26. Exactly.

That's the rightwingnut "logic".

[lonestarnot]

25. It's coming.

[Cronus Protagonist]

47. They're riding in from Baghdad

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. There Are Better Examples

Let's be real, Hitler is in a class by himself. Just like comparing him to the devil is not correct. If there is a devil, than that entity is probably far more vicious than george could ever be.

But that doesn't mean King george is not EVIL to the core. HE IS! But he's not at Hitler's level. He's just a cold-hearted, EVIL individual and a DESPICIBLE human being in his own right.

[Ian David]

4. So, Bush is more like Baby Doc than Hitler? n/t

[ima_sinnic]

30. "not at Hitler's level"? how so? becase, as noted, body count not high

enough yet?

do you think Hitler represented some kind of "ultimate evil" to which the world will never see the an equal again?
no, Hitler was just one more in a long sorry-ass parade, going back to the day humans first started walking upright, of evil power-mad scumbags with no conscience--he was hardly the first and GW*, Adi Amin, Papa Doc, Batista, and all those other heinous dictators will hardly be the last.

[Avalux]

6. I won't hold you back. Stalin is a better fit though.

No matter; he's made it his goal to completely destroy our Constitution and take away all our rights.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

8. aah! You took the words right out of my mouth! (or fingers!)

:hi:

[cspanlovr]

7. Read the latest Molly Ivin's. She's doing it, why can't we?

Its at Truthdig. I'm so lame on the computer (gad blasted, infernal contraption) I don't know how to give the link. Sorry.

[TahitiNut]

9. Only when locked up where nobody can hear.

It's 'un-American' to say the truck is bearing down on us - we're only allowed to say something when being hurled into the air with every bone in our body politic broken and mutilated.

You see ... the Reich can harangue people about the "DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!" of several thousand people in a world of six billion, but absolutely nobody is permitted to scare people about the steady loss of their civil liberties and human rights at the hands of their own government.

[Atman]

10. The people who say we can't seem to think that Adolf awoke one day...

...and killed 6 million people. They never seem to grasp the fact that Hitler started somewhere, and that somewhere looks stunningly like where we are right now. Is Bush loading people onto trains and gassing them? Nope, not that we know of at least. But he IS dropping tons and tons of bombs on the heads of innocent men, women and children whose only crime happens to be living in a country we invaded and are occupying.

.

[bif]

11. The day he "took" office in Jan. 2001

[Homer Wells]

12. I've compared him to Der Fuhrer since the beginning

Why stop now?
:shrug:

[smirkymonkey]

43. So have I, despite being roundly chastised for it many times.

However, those who were once hostile to the idea are now coming around. I wrote an article about it for a writing class back in 2002, and I am amazed at how many of the predictions and comparisons have come true.

In a sick way, I feel vindicated. However we are all going to suffer for allowing it to happen.

[angstlessk]

13. Man, you just took my breath away...THE ENABLING ACT

Why is this 'the president has the power to be judge jury and executioner' NOT THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE ENABLING ACT? It is beyond belief that NO ONE has mentioned the Enabling Act to compare to this monstrosity.

[Atman]

18. I've mentioned it several times in the past

And even posted it. It is frightening how similar it is to The Patriot Act. Some passages seem to have been lifted verbatim.

.

[patricia92243]

22. What is the Enabeling Act? n/t

[Atman]

23. It is the original Patriot Act, enacted by Hitler's regime.

Google it, and be prepared to be stunned. It IS the Patriot Act.

[angstlessk]

24. Here is ONE link...I did google it..and you could replace some wording

and it would be AMAZINGLY similar to what has happened since 2001 when bush was appointed president!

http://cghs.dadeschools.net/holocaust/enabling.htm

[havocmom]

14. Allowed? ALLOWED? Insist on freedom. Exercise it daily.

Bush is the front man for a bunch that follows the tactics of Hitler.

Hey, that wasn't hard at all.

Over a decade ago, Newt Gingrich started teaching up & coming GOP pols the propaganda methods of Joseph Goebbels, who was, indisputably, A NAZI of great import. The GOP has used the propaganda methods of Goebbels for over a decade. They have used the methods for the same goals as the NAZIS, to achieve world domination.

Same methods as Nazis. Same goal as Nazis. What else could such people be called but Nazis?

Go ahead, compare bush to Hitler, he's not as bright as Hitler, but there is justification for the comparison. Only, don't stop there. Call the whole crowd of neocons/PNACers on the FACTS.

They resort to the TACTICS of the NAZIS
as they work toward the GOALS OF THE NAZIS:
WORLD DOMINATION

Call them on the truth of what they do. If you need permission, tell them havocmom said you could, oh, and so does the Constitution!

Strength to you.
hm

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

16. Bush to Hitler is like being gay to being black

... it's NOT so much people are actually comparing gay persons to black individuals, but what the comparison is (and it works for both of these comparisons)...

The comparison is the FOLLOWERS of the GAY BASHERS to the BLACK BASHERS of the '60s. It's the same rhetoric, the same style, the same arguments, but being gay and being black are way two different things (blacks cant hide the fact and blacks have never kicked their children out of their homes for being a different shade of complexion.

Likewise Bush-Followers will give up rights, swear allegiance (and even pray to him! (Jesus Camp), and give him carte blanche powers and no questions asked, just like the German people gave Hitler.

So instead of comparing Bush to Hitler, let's just change the comparison to the PEOPLE who FOLLOWED Hitler. The comparison fits much better, IMHO

[liberalmuse]

17. I've been doing it for years...

Not only Hitler, but Stalin, Mussolini, Pinochet, and any other Despot I can think of. It's the same mentality. 5 out of 5 Facist Despots love pre-emptive war, detainment and torture.

[Nye Bevan]

19. When he builds death camps

and arranges for millions of people to be shipped there to be exterminated, based upon their ethnicity or sexual oritentation.

[rug]

20. True. He's only killled thousands and only shipped thousands.

So far. What were Hitler's numbers in 1935?

[wryter2000]

21. He's Hitler, all right

But I think it's a tactical mistake to point it out. It only starts them shouting about our comparison to Hitler and ignoring the facts behind it.

I prefer to contrast his statements and actions to the statements and actions of our Founding Fathers. You can start with "Give me liberty or give me death." He comes out pretty negative when you compare him to that.

[alittlelark]

27. I carried a "Got Blood" pic/w a bush background w/ a hitler

mustache... I was verbally assaulted by 4 ppl, and physically assaulted by one person. It was the 3rd major protest ahead of the war.


The lady that screamed at me about how much I should be ashamed is likely now whispering a different tune.

[BelgianMadCow]

28. Errrrm....holding on...right about....NOW (link)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2253711&mesg_id=2253711

[Marr]

29. Notice how you don't get the same protestations you used to get?

It's as if most people see it, but don't want to say it.

[Dem2theMax]

31. What time did the last "yea" vote come in on Thursday?

That's when we could start.

[krispifried]

32. My well-worn G-Swastika-P bumpersticker

will be going BACK on the car this morning.

[bowens43]

33. 5 years ago

[mom cat]

35. Bingo!

[niallmac]

34. Make the comparison now because you don't get pen and pencil

in 'camp.'

[cassiepriam]

36. Now. nt

[VeggieTart]

37. You can compare the two

Wasn't hitler fairly and overwhelmingly elected?

[KansDem]

38. It's beyond that. It's time to compare Hitler to Bush...

I think Bush has become the standard for sizing up despotic, evil, sadistic world leaders...

Besides, Hitler could dance.

[Liberal Dose]

39. It was okay to make the comparison as soon as the similarities started

Phase 1 - Seizure of Power
January 30, 1933
Hitler is appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg
Weimar Republic President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler Chancellor even though the Nazis were only a small minority in the German government. Hitler began immediately to orchestrate the complete takeover of all mechanisms of governance and functions of state, to make Nazi Germany a totalitarian dictatorship.

Phase 2 - An Atrocity to Subdue the People
February 27, 1933
The Reichstag Fire
At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven. "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history. . . This fire is the beginning," Hitler told a news reporter at the scene.

Phase 3 - The Leader Destroys Elections and Appoints Himself Dictator
March 24, 1933
The Enabling Act
On March 24, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and Nation, also known as the Enabling Law, essentially granting Adolf Hitler dictatorial power. There was no further need for elections because the Fuhrer/Dictator made all the decisions!


Phase 4 - The Dictator Establishes Death Camps

March 22, 1933 - Dachau slave labor death camp established

The Hitler regime established the first concentration camp about 15 kilometers northwest of Munich, dedicated on March 20 by Heinrich Himmler. It held about 5,000 prisoners, mostly Communists, Social-Democrats, and homosexuals. Bavarian police guarded the prisoners until April 11, when the SS took over. The slave-labor death camps, so hideous in their reality that Germans didn't want to hear about them, became an efficient tool in silencing opponents of the regime. Dachau was a political camp and the first Jewish detainees were among the best-known political opponents of the Nazi regime. More than 10,000 Jews from all over Germany were interned there after Kristallnacht http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/knacht.html . When the systematic genocide of Jews began, the Jewish prisoners were deported from Dachau and other camps in the Reich to the extermination camps in the East.

Throughout 1933 and 1934, thousands of Communists, Social Democrats and Jews were arrested in various parts of Germany. There was no secret about these arrests. The German people made no effort to stop Hitler's terrorism. They allowed themselves to be brainwashed by his relentless propaganda and regarded their Fuhrer as making heroic efforts to re-establish order and decency.

On May 2, 1933, Hitler dissolved all the German trade unions and within six months he had destroyed the largest and best-organized workers' movement in the world at that time. This catastrophic defeat of the German workers had the worst possible psychological effect because throughout this entire time there was not even a single symbolic act of resistance. Had there been even an attempt at resisting the Nazi's relentless destruction of human freedoms, it would at least have allowed the workers to feel that they had not gone down without a struggle.

Throughout 1933 and 1934, the SS, Gestapo and police, often assisted by fire brigades and emergency services, regularly sealed off specific German housing estates and combed through them house by house for suspected enemies of the state. Local SA groups carried out beatings, arbitrary arrests and spontaneous vandalism, creating an atmosphere of terror and helplessness in working class strongholds Germans had believed to be safe. In this way the Nazi goons smashed any semblance of working class solidarity. The Gestapo built up its surveillance apparatus to make mass resistance impossible. So German people felt an ever-present sense of terror and fear, as if they were living in a country occupied by foreign troops.

The Nazi terror continued, unchallenged:

June 22, 1933: the Social Democrat party, the only opposition party to the Nazis, was banned

July 7, 1933: the elected Social Democrats were expelled from the government

July 14 1933: a law was passed making sterilization compulsory for those considered unfit

July 15, 1933: all political parties were banned except the Nazi party

July 1933: concentration camps were systematized

October 1933: the entire press was now under Nazi control

New laws destroyed editors' and journalists’ independence and expression of personal opinion

The film industries were taken over one by one

November, 1933:

General elections were held for a single-party parliament

The Nuremberg race laws were established

January 20, 1934: ‘Regulation of National Labor’ broke the power of all organized labor within German workplaces

January 30, 1934: the local governments were dissolved without provision for re-election; local commissioners were henceforth appointed by Reich ministers to whom they were beholden

February 1934: the Upper House of Parliament was dissolved

May 5, 1934: the German Protestant Church's ‘confessing synod’ made the ‘Barmen Theological Declaration’ against the totalitarian state; later in 1934, the Catholic Bishop Galen of Munster preached against the Nazi attacks on Christianity in a sermon widely disseminated

June 30, 1934: the ‘Night of the Long Knives' - hundreds of "enemies of the state" were murdered in cold blood

The massacre included several prominent non-Nazis, among them, the leader of Catholic action and two army generals

Among those murdered were socialist revolutionaries within the Nazi party.

People the world over were shocked at the mass bloodshed, but no reaction within Germany or elsewhere challenged the Nazi terror.

August 1934: Hitler became Der Führer as well as Chancellor; a plebiscite of the German people formally ratified his dictatorship.
The German people had allowed this reign of terror to seize control of the entire nation without any significant resistance or expression of outrage.

The same thing can happen to any people who do not begin early to resist the attacks on their liberties.

Norman D. Livergood

The Nazification of America
http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step4.htm

[uppityperson]

40. Gröfaz works also, link here

from Wikipedia "A nickname for Hitler used by German soldiers was Gröfaz, a derogatory and/or sarcastic abbreviation for Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten ("Greatest War Lord of all Time"), a title initially publicized by Nazi propaganda after the surprisingly quick fall of France."

[leftchick]

41. I don't believe Hitler used the word "Freedom"

as often and ironically as bushitler**. Other than that the shoes fit....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. Sure he did.

Same empty rhetoric.

[leftchick]

45. oh yes

how sad. :(

[Poiuyt]

46. I may be overly sensitive, but that photo sends chills down my spine

[smirkymonkey]

44. After the Russians free us from the Concentration Camps.

And not a minute sooner.