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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:34 AM
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Rogue Presidency-The Truth Is We Are ALREADY Holding/Torturing/Murdering
Rogue Presidency
by tristero

The truth is that the United States government is presently holding, torturing, and even murdering countless numbers of people who have no chance in hell of obtaining a lawyer, let alone anything resembling a trial. The government is doing this under the direct orders of George W. Bush. There is no law, no bill, and no legislature who can stop him. If Congress were to pass a law unequivocably banning torture and send it to him, he'd use it for toilet paper. If the Supreme Court were to rule against Bush in the harshest and bluntest language, he'd yawn.

The truth is that there is a rogue presidency and there has been, since January, 2001 (earlier, if you count the stolen election). Certainly, everyone in Washington knows it, but no one dares to admit it. The bill legalizing torture merely enables Congress to pretend they still have some influence over an executive that from day one was governing, not as if they had a mandate, but as if Bush was a dictator. If, for some miracle, the bill didn't pass, every congress-critter knows Bush would keep on torturing.

Better to vote to pass and preserve the appearance of a working American government, the thinking goes. For the very thought that the US government is seriously broken - that the Executive is beyond the control of anyone and everyone in the world - is such a truly awesome and terrifying thought that it can never be publicly acknowledged. If ever it is, if the American crisis gets outed and Congress and the Supremes openly assert that the Executive has run completely amok and is beyond control, the world consequences are staggering. It is the stuff of doomsday novels.

more at:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_digbysblog_archive.html#115944912295724580
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ForFuxakes Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:37 AM
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1. K&R....Damn Skippy!
All the posturing here today by DUers about the dems that voted for the torture bill yesterday will mean absolutley nothing if we do not take back the house and maybe the senate!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:38 AM
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2. We gave them that power and we can take it away
It's our own fault as a nation.

But if we A,mericans wake up and mend our ways, we can change it.

Just thought I'd inject a note of optimistic cyniciam...or cynical optimism.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:41 AM
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3. Truth is no longer coin in this realm
thruthiness is what it's all about :sarcasm:
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:45 AM
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4. Well instead of
giving the appearance of a functioning government, why not USE their power and remove him from office!! What is keeping the Congress from doing THAT?? If they really believe they have rogue and beyond control little dictator, why NOT challenge him with accountability and impeachment.

I don't buy it. The Republicans in Congress are willfully a part of this corrupt and criminal government.

:mad:
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:40 PM
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5. Of course this is true...
...and it's not only the latest "regime." US History is replete with savage acts perpetrated in our name, usually under the guises of "national defense", "spreading democracy", or "liberating a country." Whether at our own hand, or the hands of our surrogates, torture, murder, illegal imprisonment, rape have been the coin of the Imperium for decades.

There are plenty of bloody gloves to pass around. The Bush Administration is first only in its pride in wearing them...
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