Senate hearings on S3950 (Specter Amend -- FAILED) -- THREAD 3

[CornField]

Thread 1 Senate hearings on Militry hearings of detaines Official thread -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2242459&mesg_id=2242459

Senate hearings on S3950 (Specter-Leahy Amend) -- THREAD 2 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2243468&mesg_id=2243468

[MrCoffee]

1. Does anyone have an unofficial tally?

[angstlessk]

2. just heard 48/51...America LOST!

[Avalux]

48-51 Amendment fails. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

4. 51/48 but I haven't seen a breakdown

[malaise]

3. Amendment fails

48-51.

[MrCoffee]

5. 48-51 against the amendement...the amendment failed.

[tridim]

6. RIP Habeas Corpus

America just died.

[Dinger]

71. I Pleade Ignorance. What Is Habeas Corpus? Thanks.

Sorry I'm so dumb.

[CornField]

93. Legal term

Here's a full definition -- http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h001.htm

[KnaveRupe]

95. "Habeas Corpus" - A cornerstone of our judicial system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus


"Known as the "Great Writ", the writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum is a legal proceeding in which an individual held in custody can challenge the propriety of that custody under the law. The prisoner, or some other person on his behalf (for example, where the prisoner is being held incommunicado), may petition the court or an individual judge for a writ of habeas corpus."

When Habeas Corpus goes away, this stops being America. Period.

[LSK]

7. DAMMIT, but that gives me hope for filibuster

[MrCoffee]

9. I think they'll do it now.

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Did the Specter/Leahy Amendment pass?

I missed the final count.:(

[MrCoffee]

10. no, it did not pass.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

11. Did that weasel Coleman from MN vote?

I don't remember hearing his name mentioned...

[katinmn]

12. Someone skinned out -- Probably him. We protested in front of his

office this morning. %$#@^%$#!*&!

[babylonsister]

26. Yes. He voted 'no'. nt

[jaysunb]

28. voted NAY...

n/t

[CornField]

13. Sen. Kerry is taking the floor -- maybe...

Some confusion about time

[Junkdrawer]

14. Nelson of Neb. is the only Democrat I heard vote no. ...Anyone else?

:shrug:

[al bupp]

25. Amazingly, he's the only one, I think

Even Salazar voted for it...

[babylonsister]

27. Nelson-FL did, too? nt

[al bupp]

75. Nope, he voted Aye, I believe /eom

[babylonsister]

91. Thanks. I saw Boxer chatting it up w/Nelson and Landrieu. Now

I'd love to know what they were talking about!

[MrCoffee]

15. The Senate is trying to figure out what the next item is and how much time

was allotted.

Kerry's up next.

[CornField]

16. Amendment 5095 -- didn't catch who submitted it (Rockefeller?)

[MrCoffee]

18. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

[tnlefty]

17. Did you happen to hear Landrieu's vote?

I missed it.

[Junkdrawer]

20. I heard Landrieu Aye...n/t

[tnlefty]

37. Thanks and thanks, too, Mr. Coffee!

I'm glad she didn't throw a monkeywrench in this time.

[MrCoffee]

21. she voted for the Specter amendment.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

19. I have to take a break. Making shepherd's pie for dinner.

Catch everyone in about an hour...

[alittlelark]

29. How bizarre, I was just cutting up carrots for Shepard's Pie

I'm using lamb and the potatoes left over from last night.

[Vinca]

73. I'm making whole wheat bread and the dough is getting

one helluva workout. Grrrrrrrr.

[KoKo]

31. Ha! Hagel and McCain voted Nay......So much for their "principles..." n/

[tsuki]

80. Thom Hartman just called him Grandstander McCain. nt

[MrCoffee]

22. Rockefeller is saying his amendment would subject the interrogation

activities to Congressional oversight.

I haven't read a thing about this amendment. Can anyone help?

[CornField]

24. It's only now being introduced -- haven't seen any text

[katinmn]

30. brief desc of Rockefeller and Byrd amendments

Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, wanted to add language to improve congressional oversight of the CIA program, while Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., wanted the bill to expire after a limited time so Congress could revisit the matter.
http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/09/28/ap/headlines/d8kdsveg0.txt

[MrCoffee]

44. In other words, the Hopeless Amendments

[al bupp]

23. The 2 Crucial Votes Against (IMHO)

Ben Nelson (so-called Democrat)
Susan Collins (so-called moderate, come-on Maine wakeup!)

[cali]

32. Fuck you very much Senator Collins.

Moderate, my ass. C'mon Maine is right.

[rodeodance]

33. thanks cornfield.

[katinmn]

34. Head's up: Byrd's amendment offers a sunset date!!

This could be the last hope.

[rodeodance]

35. Rockerfeller----to restore REspect of the Congress for oversight--his

amendment now.

[rodeodance]

38. damm. Specter-Leahy amendment was SO close.

[democrank]

36. I feel like I`ve just come from a dear friend`s funeral..

How can we stop these people before they wreck what little is left of our dignity?

[CornField]

39. Surprise, surprise.... Rockefeller concerned about Bush "misleading"

RE: Bush remarks CIA dentention centers and treatment of detainees

[rodeodance]

40. needs one more to bring to Greatest page

[rodeodance]

43. KERRY UP---this leg. affects the US moral authority (only a few hours

of debate allowed.)---

Election year politics. links with vote for Irag war--fast and wrong for election year politics.

[yodermon]

41. Kerry's Up! n/t

[CornField]

42. Sen. Kerry -- "sadly, this is the way the senate does most important biz"

(waiting until the last minute)

[malaise]

45. Go Kerry

Do not vote for torture.

[CornField]

48. We are paying a price for trusting an administration

"Stand up and be counted so that election year politics don't compromise our nation and our troops...

"Does it make clear that the US of A does not engage in torture -- period? I believe it does not."

"This bill permits torture.... it gives confusing definitions of torture... inconsistent with the Army field manual."

-----

He's on fire... and stabbing where it hurts most.

[blm]

66. This is the benefit of a lawmaker who KNOWS both the military and the law

and other world governments like the back of his hand.

[LSK]

46. the Specter vote will be posted here shortly

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

[rodeodance]

47. asks if the bill makes clear that the US will not torture. He says NO

[rodeodance]

49. says give Pres the discrition to interpret GC!!

[rodeodance]

53. WHOW--Kerry the world he does NOT trust the 'word of the President" !!

[Skidmore]

57. He also used the "U" word...."unconstitutional."

[blm]

104. specifically he's saying the Constitution BANS messing with Habeus Corpus.

And it's unconstitutional to get rid of Habeus Corpus.

[pberq]

50. Kerry - this bill permits torture!

Inconsistent with the Detainee Treatment and the Army Field Manual.

Gives the President power to interpret the Geneva Conventions.

[MrCoffee]

51. Kerry is letting Bush taste the backside of his hand.

[malaise]

52. Kerry is tearing them some n/t

[rodeodance]

56. says the US needs to retain its MORAL authority to fight the war on terror

[rodeodance]

61. time for BLABBER--Kit Bond

[katinmn]

54. Call it like it is, John. It's unconstitutional!

:applause:

[CornField]

55. "In two hours and few minutes of voting the Senate has done away with HC"

Edited to say that's a quote from Sen. Kerry

[CornField]

58. Sen. Kit Bond (R-Missouri) -- chewing on his tongue

[LSK]

59. Kit Bond go fuck yourself

:grr:

[katinmn]

62. Send him a fax telling him he'll be hunted as a War Criminal

[blm]

70. good idea -

.

[rodeodance]

63. can he do it in 5 minutes? -his time limit

[MrCoffee]

64. 5 minutes too long.

[MrCoffee]

60. Somebody needs to put a ball gag in Kit Bond's cakehole.

he's practically foaming at the mouth. freakshow.

[rodeodance]

65. hey kitty-----meow.

[katinmn]

74. Does anyone have Bond's fax number?

I want to send that freak a message.

[LSK]

67. so we are now debating the Rockefeller amendment ??

[MrCoffee]

68. Yes.

[CornField]

69. Does Bond realize he is talking in favor of removing his own oversight?

Really. Do they understand the power grab isn't just against the American people, but against Congress as a whole?

[MrCoffee]

He's just blathering incoherently...terra! 9/11! terra!

[CornField]

72. Rockefeller -- LOL!! -- He just smacked Bond

"Does the Senator realize there are no CIA detainees?" LOL!!!

[CornField]

76. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) given 10 minutes by Sen. John Warner

[babylonsister]

77. Oy! Ten minutes of Domenici?

:banghead:

[MoonRiver]

81. Mute is my friend.

When the Pukes come on I zap the t.v., turn up Air America, and am a happy camper. :)

[MrCoffee]

78. Pete Dominici can go fuck himself as well.

[katinmn]

79. Domenichi reads like a 2nd grader.

[al bupp]

85. It's true!

My seven-year-old reads more smoothly. Maybe Mr. D. needs his meds adjusted a wee bit?

[Wiley50]

83. FearMongering Mother Fucker Needs Waterboarding Himself

Now, if I had the funds to leave, I'd do it now, while we can.
And say "Goodbye" to the border control agents over my shoulder
from a safe distance, once I was on the other side

From here on out the snowball to Hell
is no longer on a slippery slope
it's over the cliff, in freefall

[oldboy101]

82. 4 Republican voted for Specter amendment, 1 Democrat against

The 4 Republicans for it were Chafee, Smith, Specter and Sununu.
Only Democrat against it was Nelson of Nebraska. I suggest that we ask him to leave our party as he has disgraced himself.

[MrCoffee]

84. It wasn't enough...50/50 means pukes win.

[al bupp]

96. Yes, but then, at least they have to drag Cheney...

out of his crypt for a rare public appearance.

[babylonsister]

87. He always votes with the R's. I don't get it either. nt

[katinmn]

89. Strip him of all committee assignments! TODAY

[lonestarnot]

86. Domenici can't even fucking read!

[MrCoffee]

90. What a tool. What a complete tool.

[al bupp]

92. Can't speak either! /eom

[CornField]

88. Domenici "They are people waiting to do harm to our people"

Paraphrasing....

A program without torture is 'shameful' --- a new war against a new enemy and we must use all tools at our disposal --- CIA Interrogation Program is helping us deny terrorists the opportunity to attack our nation --- Clearly this program is valuable in a global war on terrorism

I applaud the White House and the leadership of the Senate for giving us a bill --- we must keep the bill in its original form, fending off all amendments --- no sunset program --- glad the Habeas Corpus amendment failed, legislation would clog our overburdened courts

[katinmn]

94. Domenichi is a War Criminal. Send him to the Hague

[Cameron27]

97. Submit him to the CIA interrogation program

[shadowknows69]

100. this idiot can't even speak

Why do the republicans elect such morans?

[katinmn]

103. Because they are unconcious

[LSK]

98. Contact info for Senators

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2244362

[CornField]

99. GO TO THREAD 4 --- link inside

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2244475&mesg_id=2244475

[MrCoffee]

101. THREAD 4 IS OPEN THANKS CORNFIELD!!!!!!! GREAT JOB!!!

[Sugarcoated]

102. Thom Hartmann just said

from reading an editorial about this bill in the NYT, this bill will actually excuse smirtkoff and his criminal cabinet???? I know about his signing statements and such, but, whaaaat???

[Lasher]

106. That's right, a get out of jail free card for Chimpy

And all his administration.

[katinmn]

108. That's why they are rushing it through. Now they will be on record

and accountable for war crimes.

[Lasher]

105. Whitewash Roberts complaining about Jay introducing ammendment

Says Jay should have instead brought it up in the Senate Intelligence Committee, so that the issue of oversight could have been properly buried without all this troublesome publicity.

[Fenris]

109. Locking.

Per OP's request.