Where's the Outrage From The RW Xian Leaders On *'s Torture Bill?

[stopbush]

I'm sure that many of them are simply livid and questioning their support of bushco. They must
feel betrayed and used to see that their ardent support of Rs since Reagan has brought them to the
point where they, their churches and their faith have made them complicit in torture.

I'm sure the floodgates will be bursting this Sunday in denunciation of the Torture President and
his henchmen in the Congress.

[bowens43]

1. Outrage? The Bible is full of torture and violence.

They don't oppose it.

[valerief]

2. Yeah, that and the death penalty. nt

[MadMaddie]

3. They support it.....

Until it's their ass that's going to be tortured they will squeal like the pigs they are!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. That is exactly right! nt

[StellaBlue]

4. I've given up on the assumption of common sense or general decency

when considering theists, especially the American, and particularly the evangelical variety.

Besides, the Bible justifies and condones torture, throughout.




18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.



Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)

[lonestarnot]

5. Here!

:grr:

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. Is crucifixion on the list of approved interrogation techniques? n/t

[aquart]

8. Since Jesus was tortured, it should be good enough for the rest of us?

Oh, wait. We're the Romans.

[The Blue Flower]

9. From those who actually know Jesus

As tensions rise between Iran and the U.S. over Iran's nuclear program, so do the stakes. President Bush has refused to talk with Iranian leaders, yet he will not rule out the use of military force to contain Iran's nuclear program.

Hundreds of religious leaders, diplomats, and even military leaders have said that diplomacy - not war - is the answer to the crisis. Today we are asking you to join with Faithful Security and a band of religious leaders of many faiths to sign a petition "Words Not War."

Sign this petition :


As violence continues to rage in Iraq, and now in Lebanon and Gaza, a new confrontation is looming with neighboring Iran. Talk has increased of possible military attack against Iran to halt its nuclear program and support for Hezbollah. While we agree Iran should not support terrorism or obtain nuclear weapons, we come together as religious leaders to urge that the U.S. engage in direct negotiations with Iran as an alternative to military action inresolving the crisis.

We are encouraged that the U.S. government is cooperating with European countries and international agencies. While we welcome the U.S. willingness to join multilateral talks with Iran, we believe that a strategy of direct U.S. diplomatic engagement with Iran without preconditions is the surest means of reducing the nuclear danger and enhancing security in the region. The United States should negotiate with Iran on a mutually acceptable settlement of the nuclear standoff while making it clear that Americans absolutely reject anti-Semitism and threats against Israel. In response to the real threat of Iran?s nuclear ambitions, strategic combinations of pressures and incentives must be seriously and persistently tried, beginning with direct negotiations.

U.S. negotiations with Iran could also help resolve the crisis in Iraq. The U.S. should seek Iran?s support for international efforts to rebuild and stabilize Iraq, in conjunction with an orderly withdrawal of U.S. troops, the removal of foreign military bases, and the renouncing of any proprietary American claims on Iraqi oil and reconstruction contracts.

As Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious leaders, we are deeply concerned about the nuclear weapons danger in Iran, in the Middle East, and around the world. The teachings of the Abrahamic tradition command us to keep human life sacred and to act as stewards of creation. We consider all weapons of mass destruction - whether nuclear, biological or chemical - immoral and unacceptable for use in any circumstances. In pursuit of that principle, we strongly support international diplomatic efforts to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Our scriptures call us to avoid war and to live as peaceably as possible with all. They teach us always to seek better ways to resolve our problems and conflicts.

* In the sayings of Prophet Muhammad, we read: "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm? (Hadith 32) and in the Quran 2:60 ?Do no evil nor mischief on the (face of the) earth".
* In the Hebrew scriptures we read, "The warhorse is a vain hope for victory, and by its great might it cannot save." (Psalms 33:17).
* And in the Christian gospel, we hear, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God" (Matthew 5:9).

We reaffirm our religious hope for a world in which "nation shall not lift up sword against nation." We pray that our government will be guided by moral principles, political wisdom, and international legal standards and will step back from seeing military action as an option in this crisis. We call on all our religious leaders, theologians, clergy, and laypersons to speak out against the option of war with Iran.

To attack Iran militarily would confuse noble ends (preventing Iran from supporting terrorism and developing nuclear weapons) with dangerous and irresponsible means. Especially given the continuing tragedy and chaos of Iraq, we must not make that mistake again. The moral wisdom of many religious leaders and the pragmatic warnings of many military leaders now offer a common message ? WORDS, NOT WAR, WITH IRAN.


http://www.faithfulamerica.org/article.php?id=106

[stopbush]

11. My question was quite specific to the element of torture.

The article you quoted doesn't address the issue. In fact, it seems to limit itself to war, with
"nation shall not lift up sword against nation." Remember, * wants to torture people who
he has deemed "illegal enemy combatants" who are not aligned with any specific nation. That's
his idiotic and transparent way of flaunting the Geneva Conventions.

No, I want RW religious leader to specifically come out against *'s Torture Bill. I'll not hold my breath.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. You kidding? This is the Spanish Inquisition American Style.

Round up all them heretics and make them confess and then convert.