Ds Are Depending On SCOTUS To Strike Down Torture Bill

[stopbush]

This Torture Bill will pass and bush will sign it. It will then be up to the SCOTUS to strike down the
law as being unconstitutional.

I'm afraid that the Ds realize this...and they also realize that defeating this bill in this election season
will do nothing but cost them the House and possibly the Senate in November. They know how Roveco
works. They have all been burned numerous times for standing on principle. If they stand on principle
now or even fillibuster, it will hand the Rs their major election issue: Dems want to protect the people who are
trying to kill your family.

This is a horrible day for America. I wonder if our taking back both Houses of Congress would even give us the
power to overturn this heinous bill. Just because the SCOTUS struck down Hamdan is no guarantee they would
strike down this heinous piece of shit.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. To answer your last question, no.

Because Bush would veto it and we'd definitely not have the numbers to override the veto.

SCOTUS really should have little difficulty in striking this down. But it is the Roberts Supreme Court now, so who knows?

[Donnachaidh]

2. The UN should start investigating BushCo NOW

Put his damned feet to the fire internationally. He doesn't have his nazi sympathizers over there yet.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Scalito and Co? Oh dear.

[fooj]

4. No...

The Democrats are the only ones in this country who are actively trying to protect the wellbeing of our military. That's the key.

[Nite Owl]

5. This is a real bad maneuveur

Thanks to their confirmation of Alito and a lackluster last minute filibuster on his confirmation we are one justice away from their total takeover the SCOTUS.
The dems even if they win cannot win a veto proof margin and no way will * not veto any overthrow of this bill he desperately needs.

[Generator]

6. They've been burned numerous times for standing on principle!

WOW. That's the funniest thing I've ever read on DU. Since George W. Bush has been president have they ever shown anything close to unity and stood on principle for anything WHILE opposing the great leader?

Give me some links or you are just worthy of the Daily Show.

[stopbush]

14. Do a search on John Kerry, Max Cleland and even John McCain

and you'll see where a politician's principled stand on an issue was used by Roveco to
attack them. Hint: JK's principled stand during the Vietnam War. I said nothing in my
original post about positions they've taken "since GWB has been president." That was your characterization.

And at least I'd make TDS.

[LSK]

7. there has been no vote for Cloture yet

One thing at a time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2244362

[bullimiami]

8. you know someone has to be tortured and get the case TO the scotus to

overturn it?

they wont rule on laws without an actual case involving that law making it through the system.

VERY BAD IDEA.

[bullimiami]

9. you know someone has to be tortured and get the case TO the scotus to

overturn it?

they wont rule on laws without an actual case involving that law making it through the system.

VERY BAD IDEA.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. that won't happen, because they won't release the names of detainees,

the detainee will never see an attorney, nor the IRC,
and the US will never have to disclose the fact that someone actually has been detained.

[Robbien]

10. What a bunch of weak kneed scumbags

They cannot stand up against torture? They are afraid the GOP will call them scaredy cats? They will wait and have the big bad SCOTUS bail them out? They are weak kneed scaredy cats if they cannot take a stand against torture and for Habeas Corpus.

[flyarm]

11. and how did that work out on those who voted for the war??

it has been used against them at every turn..those that voted for this war..because of politics and getting elected have lost all moral authority..in every way..

the majority of Americans are against this war..the Majority of this country are unhappy with this president..so are our senators and congress people supposed to throw their morals out as Americans? are they supposed to vote against the constitution? ..so they can get re-elected??..the minority will never vote for them..but they risk pissing off the majority of americans ..by voting to destroy the constitution!

pandering to these dirty tricks didn't work when dems voted for this war..how will it help them now??

they either grow balls and stand for what is right.. or they shouldn't be there to begin with!

fly

[GeorgeGist]

12. You can resist...

being tortured into proposing lose/lose/lose prophecies.

[Jacobin]

13. "Leadership and Principles Are for Losers"

Is that what the Democratic Party Congresscritters want to be their new motto?

Don't they see how 'well' that worked on the IWR, and how they've had to crawl away from that vote for the last 3 years?

I'm starting to suspect that they aren't just spineless, or cravenly seeking to retain their offices for their own personal aggrandizement, I'm starting to think they are just plain stupid.

[loyalsister]

15. If that were to happen.....

I wonder if a massive primary movement would help change this course? Challenge each and every legislator who didn't have the guts to do the right thing. I think it might be a good way to open a strong civil dialog.
They took an oath to uphold the constitution. We should demand that they do.

[Totallybushed]

16. George Bush is

always bringing his damn bills to establish a dictatorship up right before elections, when emotions run high and intellect runs low. And the Dems just keep falling for it.

I wouldn't count on the SC overturning this.