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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:38 PM
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whats with McCain??
thought he was against torture?.......not its okay with him?

was he really tortured in Nam/......or did he make the crap up?
All I know is that he broke his legs or legs when his plane was shot down.......did he reveal the names of others in his unit /or the green bay line-up?
How do we know that this was true?..........time for him to start answering questions!!!!!!!
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:40 PM
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1. Fuck Him
He's a SELLOUT SCUMBAG, and I'll NEVER have a decent word to say about him.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:42 PM
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3. Agreed
Johnny boy has Stockholm syndrome
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:42 PM
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2. I think Faustian bargain is the phrase you are after
"ANYTHING to be president, Satan."
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:43 PM
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6. You got that right. It's disgraceful. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:44 PM
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8. That's sad and if true, he doesn't deserve to be President!
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:43 PM
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4. grandpa told me

"Potomac fever takes aholt of a man and don't let go"
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:43 PM
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5. Everybody needs to make up their mind about McCain.
Is he a sellout scumbag, or a sellout shithead?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:47 PM
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10. honestly, the choices are just too damn hard.
but after thinking about it for the past 5 seconds, I'm going to have to choose door number 2: sellout shithead.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:36 PM
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23. What about "sellout blowhard"? nt
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:44 PM
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7. He supports it now. He's a torturer.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:44 PM
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9. McCain SIGNED A CONFESSION for war crimes under tortureous
conditions. THAT alone should sway him from agreeing with * on this bill.

BUT, I'm certain that R's were threatened with funding if they did not "compromise."
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:58 PM
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14. If he signed a confession under torture,
he must be GUILTY. :sarcasm:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:59 PM
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15. Musta been.
tsk tsk
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:50 PM
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11. McCain lost any chance he had to be President...
Because a lot of Democrats and Independents supported him before this. I seriously doubt that he is now a serious contender.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:51 PM
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12. from his own words in book
from his own words

I lay in my own blood and waste, so tired and hurt that I could not move. The Prick came in with two other guards, lifted me to my feet, and gave me the worst beating I had yet experienced ... Despairing of any relief from pain and further torture, and fearing the close reproach of my moment of dishonor, I tried to take my life. I doubt I really intended to kill myself. But I couldn't fight anymore, and I remember deciding that the last thing I could do to make them believe I was still resisting, that I wouldn't break, was to attempt suicide.



http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/04/25/mccain/index1.html


**********this is what he wants other soldiers to go through
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:23 PM
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20. Is that from McCain's book, or a testimonial from Jeff Gannon's customer?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:57 PM
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13. He was against torture before he was for it. Grandstand
McCain, the Republican with "values" that stood up briefly to gain a non-compromise as cover for pResident Bush.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:59 PM
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16. Just because he was tortured, doens't mean he won't torture others.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 03:00 PM by sparosnare
Does that make sense? The man has no integrity, and believe his initial outrage and opposition to Bush was an act.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:04 PM
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17. I'm convinced he's just an evil son of a bitch
No different from the rest of the scumbags running the country.

I have no idea what the fuck he's trying to pull. Does this asshole actually believe that most Americans approve of torture?!

Screw him. He's a complete sellout and I'll work hard to make sure this bastard never becomes president.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:24 PM
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21. I actually did have a lot of respect for him at one time.
A lot from the fire on the USS Forestall when he was filmed running down the nose of the A-4 which was on fire and armed with 500 lb bombs. Perhaps it was that military thing we shared. I thought him a hero for the POW bit too. So, I was disappointed before with his Bush embracing performance after being Roved & knew him for what he was, but this affair is just further icing on the cake, I suppose.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:13 PM
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18. He's put party over love of country
And this isn't the first time. Nothing about him surprises me anymore. He is about as much of a "maverick" as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
I lost all respect for him after he was swift-boated ruthlessly, and then swallowed it whole to suck *'s (insert chimp part here).

I hope he runs for President. Lots of pictures of him sucking up to Bush, even eating cake with him while New Orleans drowned. He is just as guilty for not saying "hey, George, maybe we should be worried about what's going on in the Gulf".. NO.. he was more interested in photo ops and kissing up than Americans in desperate need.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:21 PM
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19. McCain spent his captivity performing oral sex on the North Vietnamese
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 03:22 PM by IanDB1
It wasn't that he HAD to.

He WANTED to.

They kept trying to free him, but he kept returning back to the prison, every time they turned him loose.

In fact, he was upset when the war ended and they made him go home.

Some people say.

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 03:28 PM
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22. McCain has been far less than truthful about the way he actually...
thinks & feels about a host of issues; appearing on the daily show like just another comedian that happenes to be wearing a suit, he plays to the laughs on the left and has been enjoying his role as a moderate...but he is a war hawk imo, and imfo should not be mis-perceived as some dove or centrist
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