Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 8

[LSK]

Watch on CSPAN2

Thread 1 Senate hearings on Military hearings of detaines Official thread -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2242459&mesg_id=2242459

Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter-Leahy Amend) -- THREAD 2 --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2243468&mesg_id=2243468

Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter Amend -- FAILED) -- THREAD 3 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2243963&mesg_id=2243963

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (debating Rockefeller Amend) -- THREAD 4 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2244475&mesg_id=2244475

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (Kennedy & Rockefeller Amends) -- THREAD 5 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2245155&mesg_id=2245155

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 6 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2245899&mesg_id=2245899

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 7 --
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2246529&mesg_id=2246529

[spuddonna]

1. Thanks much! n/t

[Cameron27]

2. Thanks :-)

[Greeby]

3. Any aisle-crossers on the Rockefeller amendment?

Haven't heard any, although I came in part-way

Is there a woodpecker? I can hear incessant tapping

[MrCoffee]

4. Jeffords is a LOUD voter, lol

[Tinksrival]

5. Can you imagine what it will be like watching c-span......

if Dems have control?!! I so want to put these republipigs in their place!

[malaise]

6. Are thet still voting on amendments? n/t

[LSK]

7. yes

[malaise]

54. Thanks all n/t

[MrCoffee]

8. voting on the Rockefeller amendment now.

[Scoot420fla]

10. Nelson-FL Aye on Rockafeller

He scares me sometimes, never know how he's gonna vote. Only reason he's getting my vote this Nov is to keep Harris out.

[importDavid]

9. anyone keeping count?

C'mon!!!!

[MrCoffee]

14. i do not have a running total. sorry.

[BelgianMadCow]

11. Only the link back to thread 7 works for me, others are "not found"

?

[MrCoffee]

12. check the greatest page..they all had at least 5 recs.

[BelgianMadCow]

13. May be good to repost the gist of Rockefeller's amendment (I don't know)

as they are voting on it now.

[importDavid]

15. from previous thread...

Rockefeller - Requires CIA to give quarterly reports to Congress re: military tribunals/torture technique

[BelgianMadCow]

17. Thank you!

[LSK]

18. work now?

[BelgianMadCow]

19. yep! thanks

[MrCoffee]

16. Link to the text of all the amendments here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?r109:./temp/~r109HchwTZ

[Scoot420fla]

20. Split in FL - Nelson Aye, Martinez No on Rockafeller

[fooj]

21. Why don't they just walk out?

The Dems need to UNANIMOUSLY WALK and proclaim with ONE, LOUD VOICE that they will not be part of this charade. The SCOTUS has already issued that this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore makes this bill illegitimate. Would this be a good idea?

[spuddonna]

22. I was kinda hopin' Leahy would there...

When he yelled 'this is a farce'...

:(

[BelgianMadCow]

24. I thought so too & gave it a go in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2241128&mesg_id=2241128

Most people were for filibuster.

[importDavid]

26. it's not over until it's over...

waiting for this is "torture" ;)

[BelgianMadCow]

53. All of a sudden the rec's for that thread are set to 0

I'm not amused. It was an honest suggestion.

:(

[Greeby]

25. Coz the Repukes would just pass it without them

It's not like they give a damn about Senate rules, and they know it's only political junkies like us watching

[MrCoffee]

28. Walking out is a bad idea...do you really want the visual of a bunch of

cut and run democrats running from the Senate?

[spuddonna]

40. Well I'd rather Leahy go over and start screaming in their faces...

And then possibly clock someone... Graham would be good!

I have daydreams like this often when I watch CSPAN2 lately. They never come true... :P

[countryjake]

84. ROTF! Me too! Shredding papers, whole "amendment" ripped in half...

and dumped on the floor at the front desk, too, except making confetti of the damn thing to fill the room would be more visually stimulating!

[spuddonna]

100. Yeah, papers flying...

(sigh) :(

[fooj]

63. Honoring and protecting our CONSTITUTION isn't cutting and running.

It's doing the right thing. They are already trying to pass this off as a bi-partisan bill when it is CLEARLY not! Let the Repukes OWN this. All. The. Way.

[bdamomma]

80. I suggested the same thing but the dems should fight this one

out this is just too important. my senator chafee (R) voted yes. they have to kick ass, if not, we will have to.

[MrCoffee]

23. Lieberman voted yes for the Rockefeller amendment...FWIW

[Scoot420fla]

I noticed that too

[MrCoffee]

32. Workin' hard to prove his anti-war cred. wanker.

[trashcanistanista]

61. Leiberman voted yes on Levin ammendment yesterday too

[femmedem]

27. Is it too late to call again? Phone in hand.

I'm dying to tell them that their loyalty is to the Constitution, not some BS coerced agreement with the Republicans.

[MrCoffee]

29. keep calling. i am.

[femmedem]

30. Dialing..

[Jo March]

31. Read in another thread that Dole voted No on Rockefeller

big shock there. :eyes:

[Scoot420fla]

33. yeah someone said she was on the fence

but I heard them call her for NO...I wasnt too shocked either lol

[Jo March]

99. Her office told me that she was "undecided"

:eyes:

[MrCoffee]

34. I'm still predicting a filibuster on the bill.

[Scoot420fla]

37. Hope your right

Not getting hopes up too much though

[Cameron27]

42. They'd have to wait for all 3 amendments to be voted down

first, I think. Kennedy and Leahy look mad enough to start one.

[MrCoffee]

46. that's what they're doing. sizing up the support.

[rodeodance]

47. Dems agreed NOT to filly if they could put forth amendments

[MrCoffee]

51. If they let that stop them...they're more worthless than i thought.

[speedoo]

62. Really? Well then they will have to put forward about 50 amendments.

This must be stopped, one way or another.

[femmedem]

57. I had to leave the computer for quite a while, and I don't have C-Span

Is the vote on the bill imminent?

[MrCoffee]

64. here's the c-span 2 feed link

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[femmedem]

71. Thanks.n/t

[Scoot420fla]

35. 53-46 Rockafeller Ammend Defeated

[Greeby]

36. 46-53 Rockefeller amendment FAILS nt

[MrCoffee]

38. 46 -53 against on the Rockefeller amendment.

[ralps]

39. Yays 46 Nays 53 on Rockefeller amendment

:grr:

[LSK]

41. Rockefeller Amendment fails 46-53

[MrCoffee]

43. You give them hell, Mr. Senator Robert Byrd!

[countryjake]

44. "Friends, Senators, lend me your ears!" - Byrd

[countryjake]

59. Warner - "No idea how long this war on terrorism will go on"

It may be years until some terra perpetrators are taken prisoner, so this "sunset" amendment does not adequately cover the intent of this bill.

[Subdivisions]

45. How many ammendments left to vote on? Just Byrd's? Or is Kennedy's

still floating?

[Cameron27]

48. both

[Scoot420fla]

49. Byrd's then Kennedy's then the bill

[MrCoffee]

50. Byrd first, then Kennedy.

[LSK]

52. so Byrd and Kennedy still have debate time?

:shrug:

[LSK]

58. nope, Byrd Amendment vote time

[rodeodance]

60. thanks all for listening with me. I have ha had to fade in and out today.

[Greeby]

55. Voting now on Byrd amendment nt

[MrCoffee]

56. Voting on the Byrd (5 year sunset) amendment

[rodeodance]

65. most of the amendments have been so so close.

[gully]

66. kick

[rodeodance]

67. I can not hear any of the votes can any of you hear?

[MrCoffee]

70. they're not voting, they're calling the roll.

[BelgianMadCow]

73. voting I think, I heard ayes & nays

[trashcanistanista]

69. Just got off the phone with Boxer's DC office

Staffer said too late to filibuster (same as Reids staffer). I urged a no on cloture. She said she wasn't sure what Boxer would do to stop the bill but she would vote against it. I don't think a filibuster is coming. Very sad day for the U.S.

[MrCoffee]

68. LOL, the clerk isn't putting up with any crap.

[rodeodance]

72. k

[rodeodance]

74. k

[rodeodance]

75. REC

[rodeodance]

77. well, at least both NELSON's voted AYE

[rodeodance]

81. Lieberman and Clinton AYE, Kohl, AYE, Boxer AYE

[rodeodance]

82. Feingold AYE

[rodeodance]

83. Colman NO NO NO NO

[gully]

85. Coleman is a son of a bitch!

Former Democrat my ass!

[LSK]

78. rodeodance, can you start the next thread?

[Scoot420fla]

76. so far 37 Ayes n/t

[Cameron27]

79. I thought they were just voting now??

[Scoot420fla]

87. I think that was a preliminary count

He read of the list of Ayes and Nays, then started calling the roll again...so Im guessing that was a preliminary count

[mom cat]

86. We would have enough for a fillibuster! Damn them all if they don't!

[Cameron27]

88. We'll see.

I really think that they might just do it.

[trashcanistanista]

98. They have more than enough for a filibuster

Double damn them if they don't

[BelgianMadCow]

89. Specter voted AYE!!

[Marie26]

91. McCain no.

Sellout.

[Atman]

93. I posted earlier that he was against this, and was shot down!

Everyone, without exception, said Arlen was an empty suit just speechifying until he could vote in Bush's favor. I have no love for Specter, but I do have a bit more respect for him now. He said his concern was for the rule of law, and it appears he is holding true to his words. At least for now.

[rodeodance]

90. thread # HERE NEW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=364

[BelgianMadCow]

94. that brings a new post rodeodance, not a new thread

[Nictuku]

95. Link doesn't work

[uppityperson]

96. link takes me to posting page, try this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2247685

[bdamomma]

92. can someone start thread 9 please

[MrCoffee]

97. THREAD 9 IS UP NOW