Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 11 --

[MrCoffee]

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Senate hearings on Military hearings of detaines Official thread -- THREAD 1 --http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter-Leahy Amend) -- THREAD 2 --
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Senate hearings on S3930 (Specter Amend -- FAILED) -- THREAD 3 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (debating Rockefeller Amend) -- THREAD 4 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings on Torture Bill (Kennedy & Rockefeller Amends) -- THREAD 5 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 6 -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 7 --
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Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 8 --
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Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 9 --
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Senate Hearings S3930 (Kennedy/ Rockefeller/Byrd Amends) -- THREAD 10 --
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[buddhamama]

1. thanks, Mr.Coffee

recommended

[uppityperson]

2. "Heck of a job"

[WinkyDink]

6. "It's IMMUNITY FROM CRIME."

EXACTLY.

[rodeodance]

21. that clause did not get much air at all.

[rodeodance]

Leahy used the words imperial president

[MrCoffee]

3. k

[Nictuku]

4. I Weep for America

[Cameron27]

5. k&r

Leahy's pissed and is on a roll. Katrina, Kennedy on a terrorist list...
Vermonter's don't retreat...we need to uphold ideals. This administration wants immunity from crime.

[blogslut]

7. Leahy reminded them all

how the "*" administration has been nothing but incompetent. He brought up Katrina...

[Kurovski]

22. As Keith Olbermann says, Bush can't even save Americans from

Standing water, let alone terrorists.

[MrCoffee]

8. Mr. Senator Patrick Leahy speaks for me.

HEAR HEAR!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

20. Me too, Mr. Coffee, me too. n/t

[cali]

48. I'm often grateful he's my Senator but

goddamnit, I want to see him filibuster!

[sproutster]

9. I CANNOT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS BILL!!

[rodeodance]

10. What a beautiful speech from Leahy. I am so sad

[rodeodance]

14. i think he just quieted the Senate

[MrCoffee]

18. he shamed them.

[Marie26]

23. Yes, he did. nt

[rodeodance]

28. you are right.

[bdamomma]

24. leahy is a true patriot

god what have we become??? I am so upset and sad.

[MrCoffee]

15. It was wonderful.

[Cameron27]

11. Levin up

[MrCoffee]

12. HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mom cat]

13. Rousing words but will he lead the fight for a fillabuster?

[rodeodance]

31. the Dems agreed NOT to filly if amendments could be put forth

[mom cat]

147. That was a losing deal.

[LSK]

16. Levin with 3 1/2 minutes

[BlueStorm]

17. So has the torture bill passed or not?

My head is spinning from all of the news here on DU and I am confused!

Blue

[blogslut]

27. they are speaking one last time

before the official vote on 'Military Commissions Act of 2006'

[uppityperson]

30. Not yet, they are talking before the final vote on the Big Bill to give

president dictatorial powers

[The Witch]

19. It is now thunderstorming in the nation's capital.

Will it take the wrath of God for these people? Or will even that not sway them?

The day America died.

[trashcanistanista]

26. Levin

"This bill is an issue on the compromise of cruelty an issue for which there should be no compromise at all"

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

29. How bout it, September 28, 2006

The end of 230 years of democracy. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I have no words for what I'm witnessing, just tears.

[uppityperson]

34. There is no law that the Empire of the USA must stand forever.

some relatives left Germany pre-WW1 due to politics. I can understand there actions.

[bdamomma]

it is just so sad we have come to this point

:cry:

[MrCoffee]

25. Levin - "The bill is a compromise on the issue of cruelty."

[trashcanistanista]

36. Reid

"ranking democrats on Judiciary Committee are outraged. Bush admin. asked Congress to rubberstamp same system Supreme Court struck down"

[bdamomma]

32. Reid up now

[blogslut]

33. Make it good Harry

This one is for all the marbles

[rodeodance]

35. Harry---reminding all the obl is still out there!!

[rodeodance]

37. Harry is making the Adm looks like the fools they are

[trashcanistanista]

39. Reid

"World is beginning to doubt our moral basis against terrorism" quoting Powell

"Bill authorizes a vast expansion of govt power to detain people, even US citizens"

[rodeodance]

38. Harry basically is saying the Rebels watered down /compromised too

much! yup harry. you got it.

[rodeodance]

41. i can not bear to see the Bush smirk whe this passes. too sad.

[rodeodance]

45. harry gets it-----get it right now--this bill is not the way to get it rig

ht.

[rodeodance]

47. REid will vote NO NO NO NO

[MrCoffee]

51. That is no excuse for not exercising the filibuster.

[BelgianMadCow]

40. EVEN US CITIZENS

says Reid. That should clear it up.

[trashcanistanista]

42. Reid

"I personally believe this legislation is unconstitutional and will be struck down by the supreme court"

[bdamomma]

52. oh god I hope so

[jackstraw45]

70. THIS Supreme Court? Not likely

[mom cat]

44. Bingo. You and me baby!

[Daphne08]

57. Is this true? If it is not, why didn't someone in Congress speak

up and deny it.

I don't understand.

[uppityperson]

43. Legislation is unconstitutional.

families of 9/11 victims waiting 5 yrs for the perpetrators to be brought to justice. Get it right.

[mom cat]

46. Great speech, but you won't fillabuster!

Reid you are a coward!

[MrCoffee]

49. I will remember what you DID NOT DO, Mr. Reid.

You did not exercise your right as a Senator to stand and stand and stand against this bill. You did not exercise your obligation as a human being to stand and stand and stand against this bill. You gracelessly stepped aside as tyrants and evil men siezed power.

I will remember what you utterly failed to do, Mr. Reid.

[mom cat]

55. AMEN!

[blogslut]

60. It better be a tie

It better be at the least. And I hope the evil one falls on his ass and farts his head off so he can't break the tie.

[Jeroen]

50. So this is how it must have felt living in Germany during the 30’s n/t

[blogslut]

53. Frist

sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssnake

[MrCoffee]

54. Herr Doktor Frist is up.

[rodeodance]

56. Dr. Fristface is lecturing to us now.

[rodeodance]

62. Katie Curic says Bush will sign tomorrow if passed today

[uppityperson]

58. catkiller-can't prosecute terrorists until this bill is passed

primary, best source of reliable intellegence is that obtained by torture. (Can't he hear himself?)

[bdamomma]

59. frist can shut the fuck up too.

what a bunch of hypocrites. we will all pay with this shameless bill, and bush I would love to slap the smirk off his face. I don't need a daddy and I don't need him to protect me, god, what an imbecile this man is. I am pissed.

[BelgianMadCow]

61. First uttering total BS in Reid rebuttal attempt

Reid : no terrorist tried for 5 years
Frist : hamden v Rumsfeld blocked the prosecution

YEAAH, SINCE spring THIS YEAR MORON. What's your excuse for the rest of the time.

he is full of shit, even his voice tells you that.

[rodeodance]

67. it is going down now foks (after this roll call vote)

[rodeodance]

69. k

[rodeodance]

72. k

[Solly Mack]

63. Frist is lying. KSM has been in a secret prison for years

being tortured...instead of being brought before a court.

Nothing stopped America from bringing KSM to trial...nothing but Bush and the desire to break the law

[trashcanistanista]

84. Voting

Looks like its passing

[Solly Mack]

88. I know...and it hurts

[sproutster]

64. Here it is ... beginning of the dark days

[bdamomma]

65. voting now.

[uppityperson]

66. Frist done, good. Roll call.

fuck

[mom cat]

68. And not one brave soul challenging cloture!

[Marie26]

107. This is the way

democracy ends, not with a bang but a whimper.

[mom cat]

146. Sept 28th. A day that will live in infamy!

[MrCoffee]

71. Every Senate Dem is a Coward and a Traitor.

Every one of them. They did not fight this bill. There are no excuses, none, to justify the actions of any of them.

Mr. Feingold, Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Reid, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Obama...you are worthless.

For the rest that I did not name...you are worthless.

[brentspeak]

86. Wonderful. Mr "Che Guevera avatar" lecturing us on what

he thinks the Senate Democrats did and did not do.

A fan of a communist who ordered the mass murder of political prisoners is the last person to comment on the issue of torture.

[Malikshah]

97. Yup-- go after avatars

Who's that trip trapping on the bridge.

The Dems folded like a cheap prostitute (take your pick of gender) punched in the stomach by a neocon.

They should be taken to task and asked to explain in public their killing of the Constitution.


R.I.P. 9/28/06....

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

129. Jefferson, my ass!

The unmitigated gall!

[hang a left]

73. will this be when we know there will be a filibuster?

[buddhamama]

yes. cloture vote ends it.

[MrCoffee]

77. There won't be. They're voting. It's over.

[rodeodance]

79. Dems agreed NOT to filly if they could put forth amendments

[LSK]

81. idiots

Did they think any amendments would pass?

[Cameron27]

74. This is so sad. I never thought a bill that promotes torture

would pass in the Senate of the US.

[CornField]

75. Just got back. Catch me up? Any amends pass?

What's the vote now? Cloture?

[countryjake]

83. Amendment votes were close, but defeated. No cloture...vote on bill, now.

[gumby]

76. Reid has failed in his duty to the Senate,

the Constitution, this Country and We The People.

Blowing air across your teeth doesn't do much to counter this attack on our country.

[LSK]

78. Shit, they were right, there is no cloture vote

This is final.

Fuck.

[Buttercup McToots]

82. Sucks

Double Fucked if you ask me...

[Gregorian]

80. This is surreal.

It's like a countdown to dictatorship.

Mr. Ten

Mr. Nine

Mr. Eight

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[Nimrod2005]

87. Makes me want to cry...I will miss my country

:cry:

[Straight Shooter]

131. When you get to Mr. Zero, bush will answer the call. n/t

[Solly Mack]

85. Even though the sun come up tomorrow

this dark will be with us forever

[malaise]

89. WTF 68 -34

What a sad day. I hope the Dems overturn this in January if they are not all detained by then.

[blogslut]

91. WTF Happened?

My DU stopped working and I had to open another browser. Tell me the vote wasn't really 60 something to whatever?

[malaise]

95. Yes it was

I am still in shock. Meanwhile in the House they're voting for the wiretaping. What a fucked up day for our planet. I'm going for a walk - can't take much more of this shit. Now breaking on CNN - they say 65-34 - who gives a fuck.

Edit -sp.

[Connie_Corleone]

96. Yes it was. Several Democrats voted with the Republicans.

[blogslut]

98. Those bastards

Those damned bastards

[Mass]

92. I guess this explains it. If they did not have 41 votes against the bill,

they did not have 41 votes to filibuster. This said, they could have filibustered by principle.

[trashcanistanista]

121. 65 34

Got up and took a closer look. Yes, wtf.

[Nimrod2005]

90. WTF? Allen is chair? is this some cheap trick, rubbing it in?

Making him sit in the chair?

[brettdale]

94. So has it offically pass ?

So has it offically pass ?

[trashcanistanista]

102. passed 65 34

Bastards. All of them.

edited for unable to see tv through tears

[Az_lefty]

93. This has made me sick...I'm going home.

[KAZ]

99. I'm going to buy a gun.

Game, set, match. I recommend you do the same.

[rodeodance]

100. what is this now?--this vote?

[rodeodance]

101. Dorken, AYE

[rodeodance]

103. Lieberman NO, boxer no

[rodeodance]

104. slow votes coming in. I missed the beginning.

[rodeodance]

105. DeWine AYE,

[rodeodance]

108. Jeffers NO

[rodeodance]

110. Byrd says AYE

[trashcanistanista]

106. border fence

9 billion$ to construct a 50 ft fence to which kennedy responded there will be a 51 ft ladder. Idiots.

[uppityperson]

109. Cloture? Now Cspan says border fences?

[rodeodance]

111. SChumer NO. Frist AYE

[rodeodance]

112. Specter AYE

[rodeodance]

113. Kerry NO

[rodeodance]

114. Gramhm McCain AYE

[rodeodance]

115. Warner AYE

[rodeodance]

116. not good so far folks. Lugar AYE

[rodeodance]

117. Harkin NO , Craig AYE

[rodeodance]

118. Diane Feinstein AYE AYE AYE

[rodeodance]

120. Obama NO, Kohl, NO, Biden AYE (damn)

[rodeodance]

122. some Dems are voting with the Repugs.

[rodeodance]

123. k

[rodeodance]

124. k

[rodeodance]

126. k

[rodeodance]

127. k

[rodeodance]

128. k

[DireStrike]

132. Goodbye, Biden. That sound was the last nail in your coffin.

Never again will I support you.

[uppityperson]

119. what are they voting on? I am confused. thanks.

[rodeodance]

130. this is final vote on the bill (i think)--i tuned in late. --and the scree

n is blurry for me (internet)

[Connie_Corleone]

134. That's the border fence vote.

They already finished the vote for the torture bill.

[Connie_Corleone]

137. Border fence vote. The torture bill already passed.

[rodeodance]

139. the great wall of China failed. the Berlin wall failed-so we build a wall

[kilaana]

125. I am beyond sad...

[rodeodance]

133. wonder what the holdup is.

[rodeodance]

136. 71-28 no.

[trashcanistanista]

135. 71 to 23 for cloture on border fence bill

[rodeodance]

138. ah, thanks. my screen is blurry

[trashcanistanista]

142. Harkin taliking about torture bill that passed

"current course is playing into hands of terrorists. Stirring up anti-Americanism all around the world"

Mentioning "Canadian citizen "picked up" by CIA, bound gagged, blndfolded, sent to Syria for torture" cost to US has been disasterous. Endangered troops in field.

[trashcanistanista]

143. Harkin going on -

"dark days of McCarthyism have come back to us"

[LSK]

140. its going to get ugly in GD for a few days

[Peace Patriot]

141. The day democracy died was Oct. 29, 2002, Bush signing of the "Help

American Vote Act," which made all these supposed representatives of the people beholden, for their power and their office, not to the people, but to two Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--who are now "counting" all our votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls. HAVA--that democracy-killing piece of legislation--was engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney--even as the Abramoff bribes were passing over their desks--abetted by corporatist 'Democrats' like Christopher Dodd and Terry McAuliffe. And every one of these Democratic Senators voted FOR it--voted for SECRET vote counting by Bushite corporations--execpt two (suprise, surprise...Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer--probably because of New Yorkers' attachment to their old, reliable, unriggable lever machines). Stupid, uninformed, corrupt, collusive, afraid? Who knows? Some combination of those things dictated the MIND-BOGGLING SILENCE of the Democratic Party leadership, as our democracy went down for the count.

That WAS the fascist coup. 10/29/02. HAVA. We are looking at the results.

Good, bad or indifferent--but mostly bad--all of these people were (s)elected in non-transparent vote counts. They are as illegimate as the Bush Junta is. They are the Diebold Congress.

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

Bust the Machines--Vote by Absentee Ballot this fall!

We still have a slim window of opportunity to save our democracy and our country. If everyone who despises the Bush Junta--60% to 70% of the American people--votes by Absentee Ballot this fall, the reign of these "diablo" machines will be OVER!

[trashcanistanista]

144. More Harkin

"Bill would permit a legal, permanant resident of U.S to be snatched of the street in the dark of night to be gaggged bound, subject to torture..." "Is that what we've become as a nation?" "Habeas is to protect US citizens"

[Peace Patriot]

145. Please see by analysis "What do you expect from the Diebold Congress?"

at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2851762

I lay out the case for what we must do and why. Please spread the word!

Vote for Democrats who voted for torture, if you want to. You may have your reasons. And I am not at all against smart strategy, if it is aimed at restoring democracy, gradually if we have to.

It doesn't really matter. Let's avoid an intercine fight about it. What matters is that the will of the people--63% of whom oppose torture "under any circumstances"--is being thwarted, time and again, on issue after issue.

It is the election SYSTEM that we must overthrow, not the Congress nor the Bush Junta. We MUST restore the power of the people to change the direction of the country. Our power is our vote. We MUST restore that power.