Apologists for Dems on the grounds of "lesser evil" or "November 7":

[StellaBlue]

What WOULD be the last straw for you to abandon the party?



Sorry, as a Texan, I could not resist the above visual metaphor.

[blm]

1. Question back at you: Are the odds better that the next GOP run Congress

will rewrite this bill closer to Geneva Convention or that a Dem run Congress would?

This is one of those times when numbers matter.

You either WANT Waxman, Kucinich, and Conyers to have subpoena powers or you don't - it's THAT simple.

[StellaBlue]

2. Would you vote for Chamberlain or Hilter?

?

[blm]

3. I'd vote for Kucinich, Waxman, and Conyers to try and STOP Hitler legally

.BEFORE he made another imperialistic move.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. I am NOT going to abandon my party! Ever! No apologist here.

[StellaBlue]

5. That's some GOP logic if I ever heard it.

:/

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. and yours is "Naderite" logic...

I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face.

[StellaBlue]

11. so torture is okay if it's a means to an end?

e.g. we should hold our nose and support it because it's the lesser of two evils?

[mdmc]

13. Hey Nader stood for something beautiful, he still does

and I bet he public ally opposes this torture deal-i-o. To support torture is to spite the ol face, imho.

[nini]

6. WHAT do you suggest as an alternative for NOW

Seriously. What?

[StellaBlue]

7. I'm afraid it's come down to this

[kerry-is-my-prez]

10. We have to get as many Dems in as we can- then pressure the hell out of em

if an indy who leans liberal can win - then vote for them.

[StellaBlue]

12. I agree

but my OP was an honest question.

I don't think we should let Rove divide and conquer on this. I will still be voting straight-ticket Dem on November 7th.

But we need to find a way to make a stand against this.

I am honestly wondering where and how we draw the line.

[mdmc]

9. The Dems could start roundin up the Jews for all I care

I ain't never leavin this party. Not for the Greens, not for the Reform party... nothin...

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Actually, I would bolt a the chance for real liberal leadership. If RFKjr started a third party, I would bolt. The Dems suck, but they are the only game in town. We have to play on their team.

:mad:

[pinto]

14. Locking.

Mod consensus is that the original post is a broad brush general attack on Democrats (the majority of DUers) and anti-Democratic advocacy.

Thanks.