Holly shit!!! Are you watching Lou Dobbs... They are erasing

[pooja]

borders without any consent.

[AndyA]

1. What? Details, please. n/m

[Canuckistanian]

2. Whose borders? n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Be afraid, be very afraid, eh?

[originalpckelly]

5. Duh, our borders. Haven't you all been listening to the rest of us...

bitch about this orwellian idea (remember oceania people.) Funny thing is, fucker BUSH doesn't have the GODDAMN AUTHORITY TO DO IT!!!!!!!! Think of it as annexing Austria.

[Canuckistanian]

40. I've heard this before

And I've dismissed it as a pure fantasy. Seems to me, he'd need the assent and cooperation of the country he's trying to annex.

And there's no fucking way he'd get his hands on our country without a fight from us Canadians.

We're reknowned for our resistance to American Imperialists. We don't go in for grandiose schemes of invading countries for oil or for political conquests. It cuts into our canoeing time.

Look it up.

[FourScore]

47. LOL

[Art_from_Ark]

51. Well, the last time you Canucks were tested like this,

James Madison was in the White House and the Canadian confederation was still a far-off dream.

Things might have changed a bit since then.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. All borders, if they can get away with it.

:shrug:

[Oreo]

4. Can you please be just a little more vague

[StellaBlue]

8. no shitq

what the hell are you talking about? (op)

it makes no sense?

[bobbolink]

9. THank you. At least your post made some sense.

:hi:

[nam78_two]

6. ?

clarification?

[leftchick]

10. wtf are you saying?

??

[pooja]

11. They are merging Canada, USA, and Mexico without any

congressional oversight, or American consent.. Calling the 3 conglomorate the North American Union--hello tinfoil hat time...

[madokie]

17. with a whole new constitution too

[Canuckistanian]

25. Um, I don't think so

There is NO movement in Canada to unite with the US anytime soon.

This is where I fight for my country. To the death, if need be.

[SammyWinstonJack]

I hope you stay free from us. I hope our NeoCons don't invade your

Country.

[Canuckistanian]

37. If it were ever to happen....

I can't imagine a worse scenario than having Shrub and the neocons managing it.

[Dem2theMax]

35. I can no longer say what I'd love to say.

You'd like it. But I'd be arrested and tossed in the dungeon.

[buzzard]

50. This is where I would join you, I have read some articles on this

but can't find them at the moment.

[AndyA]

12. It's got to be about the superhighway...

coming from Mexico, up through Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc.

ANOTHER GOP SCAM! BAD FOR AMERICA!!

[atommom]

13. See this thread. It's in regard to the so-called "North American Union."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2849897&mesg_id=2849897

[pooja]

14. Remember when Rummy was in Canada meeting secretly

Aparently they were finalizing the last details on erasing the borders between Mexico, US, and Canada. DU the poll: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

[City Lights]

20. Poll's not working for me.

But yes, I'm outraged.

[windbreeze]

39. then apparently there will be no illegal immigration probs any longer...

and once again....what is the deal with the FENCE that is supposed to cost a billion or so...along the border between the US/Mexico???
hmmmmm...
wb

[TheFarseer]

44. Their base will go APE SHIT

if they "erase" the border with Mexico. As for Canada, we should have had an agreement with them to be more united a long time ago.

[Jeanette in FL]

15. North American Union to replace USA

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

There have been numourous discussions about this for the past year. It is frightning in the least.

[Renew Deal]

18. That will take care of the immigration issue.

:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

16. in the senate session the other day - it was framed as "unlawful" borders

were being made lawful with the fence act(fencing in America)

Now, let's say that again

borders...legal borders...that have been in place for hundreds of years...are now being called "unlawful" borders that must be fenced in...to create "lawful" borders

this is why you hear "the rule of law" the most from those who have no intention of following the law...they cloak their abuses in law and claim it's right because it's legal...just like Hitler did

[Parche]

19. erasing borders

Borders
I go there all the time to get my books and magazines, what are we going to do??????

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. You mean the bookstore chain?

I love puzzles. WTF is going on?

[KansDem]

22. Will we give up the dollar and switch to the "amero?"

Sounds like we're following the lead set by Europe.

[Swamp Rat]

23. hyperbole n/t

[Canuckistanian]

38. Indeed.

How you been, Swampy?

[Blue Diadem]

24. More info at spp.gov

they do claim the creation of a Union is a myth. Like we can believe them..

Make sure to check the prosperity working groups..

[Liberal In Texas]

26. This has been around for awhile. Largely ignored by the media.

There have been a few warning voices in the wind, but Bushco has got so much crap stirred up, practically nobody has heard of it.

The North American SuperCorridor will assure that we will all be citizens of Oceania or is it Eurasia...er North American Union!





New flag?

[atommom]

27. Another recent article about this...

also from a source that is often not reliable, so read with caution. There is a nugget of truth here, but I can't figure out how big that nugget really is.

Top U.S. official chaired N. America-confab panel
Agency says he attended secretive meeting in official capacity as assistant secretary
Posted: September 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome Corsi
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Thomas Shannon, assistant secretary, Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs
At the recent high-level confab of the North American Forum in Banff, an assistant U.S. secretary of state chaired a panel that featured a presentation by Prof. Robert Pastor, author of a book promoting the development of a North American union as a regional government and the adoption of the amero as a common monetary currency to replace the dollar and the peso.

State Department spokesman Eric Watnik confirmed to WND that Thomas A. Shannon attended the Sept. 12-14 meeting of the North American Forum in his official capacity as assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs.

As WND previously reported, the forum was closed to the press. WND has published the attendee list and the agenda of the conference which was leaked to WND by Canadian writer and publisher Mel Hurtig.

In numerous publications, professional presentations and testimony to Congress, Pastor has called for NAFTA to be evolved into a European Union-like regional government, ultimately complete with a legislative, judicial and executive institutional structure that would have supremacy over the United States.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52186

[kskiska]

41. Corsi is a Freep and one of the guys who wrote the Swift Boat book.

The Freeps are all up in arms about the "Super Highway."

[atommom]

46. Yes, that's why I said it was not a reliable source.

Some of what he says seems to be based on fact (like the trade routes and expedited customs), but there are a lot of embellishments there that aren't confirmed by any other source. Other RW sources have repeated his allegations as fact, but I haven't seen any evidence that he's right.

There are some documents obtained by FOIA in this thread discussing SPP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2849897&mesg_id=2849897

[Nikki Stone 1]

28. NAFTA already made a level of governance above the US, Canadian

and Mexican governments. That level above is populated by a handful of appointees. The structure is already in place.

Why do you think Vincente Fox was able to come here last spring and speak so harshly to Junior in public about illegal immigration? The borders are already gone.

[robcon]

29. This is the phoniest DU thread I've read in a while.

No substance, no details, no story.

[mediaman007]

30. I think that this is great!

The Canadians can provide great health insurance and cheaper drugs. My money will go farther when I retire into Mexico!

And to top it off...the Canadians and the Mexicans can help pay down our debt!


(eh, eh, eh...)

[originalpckelly]

32. And Bush & Co. will control all of North America!

OMG! Our nightmare.

[cynatnite]

31. Oh, yeah, Jerome Corsi contributed to WND over this...

This is the guy who wrote the lying book 'Unfit For Command' with O'Neill about Kerry on the swiftjerks.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52170

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52164

Oh, and he cowrote a book about the racist minute jerks, too.

I don't buy any of this for one second. bush is too greedy to share Amerka, anyway.

[Marie26]

33. Our democracy is ending,

and Dobbs is ranting about immigrants.

[Skidmore]

34. Why do you think that they are ignoring border security?

They'll use illegal immigrants as a wedge issue until after the elections, then they are home free. I've heard about this North American Union for a while now. There will be no need for border security when there are no borders to secure. There is also no need for a constitution, a bill of rights, or the declaration of independence anymore.

[Marie26]

36. It's nuttiness

fostered by right-wingers, Minutemen, & conspiracy theorists.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. I guess it's run around like your fucking-hair-is-on-fire day at DU.

Whatever the hell this dealio is, if it's pissing off Jerome Corsi and Phylis Schlafly, it can't be ALL bad.

[Marie26]

48. Isn't that everyday? nt

[lonestarnot]

52. First fucking laugh I've had all day! Thanks!

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Yeah, I'm about overdue for one or two, too.

:)

[slaveplanet]

43. Secret meeting

only reported in Banff local news:

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20060919132553106


Deep Integration Planned at Secret Conference Ignored by the Media

Here's the scandal that should be outraging Canadians across the country. On September 12-14, elite proponents of deep integration from Canada, the U.S. and Mexico met at a secret conference at the Banff Springs Hotel. Stockwell Day, Tom d'Aquino and other high-profile Canadians were there. But the Hotel doesn't want to talk about it. No major media reported on the conference--not The Globe and Mail, not the National Post, not the Toronto Star, no one. Yet the topic of the conference, deep integration or the formation of a "North American Community" aka the North American Union, will profoundly affect everything in our lives from our health and security to the currency we use (soon to be the "Amero") to our very national identity. In essence, we will no longer be Canadians, but North Americans only--and worse, North Americans hog-tied in lock-step with the U.S. even as they gain open access to our energy resources.

Our national media stays silent and so Canadians remain unaware that their own CCCE and most powerful politicians are pushing for integration with the U.S. and Mexico completely outside of the usual democratic process. The only newspaper to report anything on this as yet is the Banff Crag & Canyon, which is publishing an article on the conference today thanks to information provided by Mel Hurtig.

See "North American Forum held in secret at Banff Springs Hotel", September 19, 2006, at http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com/story.php?id=255375 , or main link http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com.

And of course here at Vive we are ready to do our part. Below please find the secret list of participants in the forum AND the agenda for the forum, thanks to Mel Hurtig's sources.

I hope every one of our readers and supporters will take it upon themselves to call their local and national media and demand coverage of the conference and of integration itself. It is a scandal that this process is being conducted in secret. We must also all talk to our politicians and demand that this become an open public debate. We must call the usual suspects who were involved in this conference, especially the chairs and co-chairs, and ask why they conducted it in secret among other uncomfortable questions. And we must especially talk about this with each other, with our friends, family, and neighbours, and spread the word, asking our American and Mexican neighbours do the same. Otherwise, we will all remain in the dark--until it is too late.

NORTH AMERICAN FORUM
CONFIRMED PARTICIPANTS
(Internal Document, Not for Public Release)

Report dated August 31, 2006

Forum Co-Chairs:
Dr. Pedro Aspe
Hon. Peter Lougheed
Hon. George Shultz

Canadian Participants

Col. Peter Atkinson Special Advisor to Chief of Defence Staff
Hon. Perrin Beatty Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters
Mr. Peter M. Boehm Assistant Deputy Minister, North America
Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada
Mr. Thomas d’Aquino Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Hon. Stockwell Day Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada
Dr. Wendy Dobson The Institute for International Business
Mr. N. Murray Edwards Edco Financial Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ward Elcock Deputy Minister of National Defence
Mr. Bill Elliott Associate Deputy Minister, Public Safety
Dr. John English The Cdn Centre for International Governance Innovation
Mr. Brian Felesky Felesky Flynn LLP
Mr. Richard L. George Suncor Energy Inc.
Dr. Roger Gibbins Canada West Foundation
Rear Adm Roger Girouard Commander Joint Task Force Pacific, Cdn Forces
Major Gen Daniel Gosselin Director General, International Security Policy
Mr. James K. Gray Canada West Foundation
Mr. Fred Green Canadian Pacific Railway
Mr. V. Peter Harder Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
Mr. Paul J. Hill Harvard Developments Inc.
General Rick Hillier Chief of the Defence Staff
Mr. Pierre Marc Johnston Heenan Blaikie
Mr. James Kinnear Pengrowth Corporation
Mr. Harold N. Kvisle TransCanada Corporation
Hon. John P. Manley McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Mr. Ron Mannix Coril Holdings Ltd.
Mr. Ron Mathison Matco Investments
Hon. Anne McLellan Senior Counsel, Bennett Jones
Hon. Greg Melchin Minister of Energy, Government of Alberta
Ms.Sharon Murphy Chevron Canada
Ms. Sheila O’Brien President, Corporate Director, Belvedere Investments
Hon. Gordon O’Connor Minister of Defense, Government of Canada
Mr. Berel Rodal International Center on Nonviolent Conflict
Mr. Gordon Smith Chairman, The International Development Research Centre



American Participants

Ms. Deborah Bolton Political Advisor to Commander, US Northcom
Mr. Ron T. Covais, President, The Americas, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Sec. Kenneth W. Dam Max Pam Professor Emeritus of American & Foreign Law and Senior Lecturer, University of Chicago Law School
Mr. Dan Fisk Senior Director, Western Hemisphere, National Security Council
Sec. Ryan Henry Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Ms. Carla A. Hills Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Ms. Caryn Hollis DASD (Acting) Western Hemisphere Affairs
Mr. Bill Irwin Manager - International Government Affairs; Policy, Government and Public Affairs, Chevron Corporation
Mr. Robert G. James President, Enterprise Asset Management Inc.
Admiral Tim Keating Commander, US Northern Command
Mr. Floyd Kvamme Chair, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology; Director, Centre for Global Security Res.
Dr. Ronald F. Lehman II Director, Center for Global Security Research, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. William W. McIlhenny Policy Planning Council for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Dr. Peter McPherson President, National Association of State Universities & Land-Grant Colleges
Ms. Doris Meissner Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute
Dr. George Miller Director, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Mr. George Nethercutt Chairman, US Section of the Permanent Joint Board on
Defense, US – Canada (Security)
Mary Anastasia O’Grady Journalist for Wall Street Journal (Area Specialist)
Dr. Robert A. Pastor Director, Center for North American Studies, American
University, Washington, DC
Dr. William Perry Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project
Lt. Gen. Gene Renuart USAF Senior Military Assist. to Sec. Rumsfeld
Mr. Eric Ruff Department of Defense Press Secretary
Sec. Donald R. Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense
Dr. James Schlesinger Former Sec. Of Energy & Defense
Mr. William Schneider President, International Planning Services
Sec. Clay Sell Deputy Secretary of Energy, US Dept. of Energy
Dr. Thomas A. Shannon Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere A
Dr. David G. Victor Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development, Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Maj. Gen. Mark A Volcheff Director, Plans, Policy & Strategy, NORAD-NORTHCOM
Ms. Jane Wales President & CEO, World Affairs Council of Northern California
Mr. R. James Woolsey Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton






Mexican Participants:

Emb Andrés Rozental (Mexican Coordinator) – Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Silvia Hernández Former Senator and Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on North America
Mario Molina 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry
Fernando Chico Pardo CEO, Promecap
Juan Gallardo CEO, Grupo GEUSA
Gerónimo Gutiérrez Deputy Foreign Minister for North America
Luis de la Calle Consultant. Former Deputy Minister of Economy
Agustín Barrios Gómez Solutions Abroad
Vinicio Suro PEMEX
Eduardo Medina Mora Secretary of Public Security
Carlos Heredia State Government of Michoacán
Jaime Zabludowsky Consultant. Former trade negotiator
Manuel Arango CEO, Grupo Concord
Jorge Santibañez President, El Colegio de la Frontera Norte
Luis Rubio CIDAC
Mónica Serrano El Colegio de México, Señor Fellow Oxford University
Arturo Sarukhan Coordinator of Int’l Affairs, Campaign of Felipe Calderon
Juan Camilo Mouriño General Coordinator of President Elect’s transition team
Ernesto Cordero Coordinator for Public Policy Issues

Ambassadors/Consul General:

Mr. Carlos de Icaza, Ambassador of Mexico to the United States
Mr. Gaëtan Lavertu Ambassador of Canada to Mexico
Ms. Maria Teresa Garcia Segovia de Madero, Ambassador of Mexico to Canada
Mr. Thomas Huffaker U.S. Consul General in Calgary (on DOD’s list)
Mr. John Dickson Deputy Chief of Mission, US Embassy in Ottawa
(representing Ambassador of US to Canada)
Mr. Colin Robertson Minister & Head, Washington Advocacy Secretariat,
(representing Ambassador of Canada to US)



------------------------------------------------

Draft Detailed September 1, 2006 Agenda
Internal Document

North American Forum

Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel
Banff, Alberta
September 12-14, 2006

Under the Joint Chairmanship of:

The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta

Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment

Session I: Opening comments by Messrs. Aspe, Lougheed and Shultz

Session II: A Vision for North America: Issues and Options

Session III: Toward a North American Energy Strategy

Session IV: Opportunities for Security Cooperation in North America (Parts I and II)

Session V: Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration

Session VI: Border Infrastructure and Continental Prosperity

Session VII: Roundtable Conversation with the Co-Chairs



Draft September 1, 2006 Agenda

North American Forum

The Fairmont Banff Springs
Banff, Alberta, Canada
September 12-14, 2006

Under the Joint Chairmanship of:

The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta


Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment

Tuesday, September 12th

3:00 to Advance Registration
4:30 pm Location: Heritage Hall

5:00 pm Registration
Location: Oval Room

5:45 pm Opening and Welcoming Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom

6:45 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom

8:00 pm Keynote Address – “Energy and Environment: a vision for North America”
Dr. Mario Molina, 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry


Wednesday, September 13th

7:30 am Continental Breakfast & Registration
Location: Alhambra Room


8:15 am Keynote Address - Hon. Greg Melchin, Minister of Energy, Government of
Alberta
Q & A 8:45 – 9:00 a.m.

9:00 am SESSION I: OPENING COMMENTS BY MESSRS. SHULTZ, ASPE AND LOUGHEED
Location: Alhambra Room

SESSION II: A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
Location: Alhambra Room
9:30 am PANEL:
Moderator: Dr. Thomas A. Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs
Panelists:
Robert Pastor, Director, Center for North American Studies, American University
Roger Gibbins, President & CEO, Canada West Foundation
Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
10:05 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

10:45 am Break

SESSION III: TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
Location: Alhambra Room

11:05 am REMARKS:
Secretary Clay Sell, Deputy Secretary of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy
11:25 am PANEL:
Moderator: N. Murray Edwards, Vice Chairman, Canadian Natural Resources Limited
Panelists:
Richard George, President & CEO, Suncor Energy Inc.
David Victor, Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development,
Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Vinicio Suro, Planning & Evaluation Subdirector, PEMEX
12 noon ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

12:45 pm Break

1:00 pm Lunch
Location: Cascade Ballroom

1:30 pm Keynote Address: Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense

SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA - Military-to-military cooperation
Location: Alhambra Room

2:30 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William J. Perry, former US Secretary of Defense
Panelists:
Admiral Tim Keating, Commander NORAD/USNORTHCOM
Major General Daniel Gosselin, Director General, International Security Policy
Gerónimo Gutiérrez, Undersecretary for North America, Ministry of Foreign Affairs

3:05 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

4:00 pm Break

SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA CONTINUED
Location: Alhambra Room

4:15 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William Schneider, President, International Planning Services
Panelists:
Ward Elcock, Deputy Minister of National Defence
Eduardo Medina-Mora, Secretary of Public Safety
Ryan Henry, Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
4:50 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

5:45 pm Wrap-up of daytime sessions

6:30 pm Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom

7:00 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom
8:10 pm Keynote Address - The Hon. Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada

Thursday, September 14th

7:00 am Breakfast
Location: Alhambra Room


7:15 am Keynote Address - Floyd Kvamme, Chairman, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology
Q & A – 7:40 to 8:00 a.m.

SESSION V: DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN
INTEGRATION
Location: Alhambra Room

8:00 am PANEL:
Moderator: Andrés Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Panelists :
Dr. Wendy Dobson, the Institute for International Business
Carlos Heredia, Chief International Affairs Advisor to the Governor of the State of Michoacán in Mexico
Doris Meissner, Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute

8:35 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

9:30 am Break

SESSION VI: BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Location: Alhambra Room

9:45 am PANEL:
Moderator: Hon. John P. Manley, McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Panelists:
Thomas d’Aquino, Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Carla Hills, Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Luis de la Calle, Consultor

10:20 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

11:00 am SESSION VII: ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATION WITH THE CO-CHAIRS
Location: Alhambra Room
Moderator: Jane Wales, President and CEO, World Affairs Council of
Northern California
Presenters: George Shultz, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Peter Lougheed, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Pedro Aspe, Co-Chair, North American Forum

12:00 pm Adjourn

12:30 pm Informal lunch
Location: Alhambra Room

[mdmc]

45. is he all racist?

:popcorn:

[mountainvue]

49. Dobbs kicked ass tonight.

He had Kitty Pilgrim on with a fantastic report about voter veriifed paper ballots and talked about NAFTA being a miserable failure.

[pinto]

54. Locking.

As noted in the thread, this alarm is a construct promulgated by Jim Corsi, of swiftboat fame, who is also considered a bigot in immigration matters.

Thanks.