Where are all the Christain groups saying Torture is wrong?

[brettdale]

Where are all the Christain groups saying Torture is wrong?

But if two cia agents hold hands, then they will be speak out.

[peacebird]

1. they are too busy rubbing hands in glee over "marriage protection" and

potential abortion bans to worry about that sort of thing....

:eyes:

[ccpup]

2. I agree.

After what the Romans did to Jesus, you think they'd at least have an opinion, no? I guess this means when the shoe's on the other foot, they won't be able to complain when they're fed to the lions, right? (I know, I know ... bad joke. But I've made my point!)

[pnwmom]

3. Where are all the PEOPLE saying torture is wrong?

Are you implying that Atheists or Agnostics have less responsibility? Or Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

All Americans should be speaking out.

[brettdale]

4. Excellent point

When Bush*t took office, I dont think anyone would of thought that even he would make torture legal.

What a sad day for the planet.

[cboy4]

5. EXCELLENT, excellent observation.

But what do you expect?

I mean, have they even spoken out against the immoral act of premeditated war and the killing of so many innocent people?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. They're busy holding fundraisers for BushCo

n/t

[sable302]

7. Not true

Loads of Christian groups speak out regularly on torture. Here is one example from my own denomination

http://gbgm-umc.org/global_news/full_article.cfm?articleid=3191

and

http://google.umc.org/search?q=torture&btnG=Go&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=UMCom_UMCorg_Frontend&proxystylesheet=UMCom_UMCorg_Frontend&site=UMC_Root_Collection

Not all Christians are fundies, in fact, most are not fundies. Last night we prayed for the end of torture.

About gay marriage, though, I gotta give it to you. We're still fighting that one out. But, in the UM church there is a very large minority of members who would change that as well.

[silverlib]

8. Religious Leaders Call for End to Torture - NYT 06/13/06

http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.1760295/k.BEF/Religious_leaders_call_for_end_to_torture.htm

Religious leaders call for end to torture
June 12, 2006
A UMNS Report
By Kathy L. Gilbert*

here are some <snips>

An ad calling for the elimination of torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment as part of U.S. policy will run in the New York Times June 13.
Sponsored by the National Religious Campaign Against Torture, the ad is signed by 27 religious leaders, including former President Jimmy Carter and United Methodist Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
The ad states: “Torture violates the basic dignity of the human person that all religions, in their highest ideals, hold dear. It degrades everyone involved ? policy-makers, perpetrators and victims. It contradicts our nation’s most cherished ideals. Any policies that permit torture and inhumane treatment are shocking and morally intolerable.
The statement urges Congress and the president to remove all ambiguities by prohibiting:
• Exemptions from the human rights standards of international law for any arm of government.
• The practice of extraordinary rendition, whereby suspects are apprehended and flown to countries that use torture as a means of interrogation.
• Any disconnection of “cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment” from the ban against “torture” so as to permit inhumane interrogation.
• The existence of secret U.S. prisons around the world.
• Any denial of Red Cross access to detainees held by U.S. government overseas.
The statement also calls for an independent investigation of human right abuses at U.S. installations like Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan.
Christian curriculum on the issue as well as Jewish and other resources is available on the Web site: www.nrcat.org.

[mtnsnake]

9. I think Christian leaders know plenty about torture themselves

I think they stay up late at night thinking up new and inventive ways of torturing the masses of fools in this country into donating their last dying dollars to their phoney baloney causes that you see on TV everyday and twice on Sunday. It's torture watching these preachers with their obviously well choreographed TV acts that only serve to take money from the poor and put it in their own pockets in the name of religion.

Anyway, good question!

[BuyingThyme]

10. Their whole damn religion is based on torturing a guy to death.

No biggie for them.

[KG]

11. torture is a cherished xtian legacy,

witch trials, inquestition, the fun never ends....