Are we there yet? Civil disobedience?

[zeemike]

Does this torture bill debacle rise to the level that demands civil disobedience from the true patriot?
Or do we pin all our hopes on a victory in november even though it may not change one thing having to do with basic human rights?
I think it time to think about it and the first ones to be arrested should be the liberal christians because it is most offensive to them and there beliefs.

[Ameritopia]

1. Amerika is over

[pooja]

2. Am willing to go to my death for my family and my children to

have a future... Make a legal fund. I am not rich enough for bail.. make a system so that if they get you and label you combatant, that we know someone is missing and in a concentration camp.

[razors edge]

3. sounds like some starters there

we need a website to catalog polital prisoners of the new Merika, hosted from a civilized nation no doubt.

[Jack Rabbit]

4. We are there

This is a free speech zone . . .



Photo from NASA via StarDome (New Zealand)

[StellaBlue]

5. We've been there since Dec. 2000

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Cleita]

6. I'm way past there.

I'm all the way to revolution. Lock and load.

Our country has been sold to the highest bidder. We can't take it back through the usual methods anymore.

[zeemike]

8. In a revolution we would always be out gunned

But civil disobedience as long as it is non violent trumps guns. It has been proven many times by the likes of MLK and Gandhi.

[Cleita]

9. I'm fairly peaceful, but if that doesn't work, we have to take our

country back. Also, look at history, guerilla warfare worked very well for Castro, the No. Vietnamese and recently the Afghanis. You don't need more guns just more patriotism.

[zeemike]

10. But non violent civil disobedience works every time

And the reason is that all they can do is shoot and make more converts to the non violent protest.
In the Viet Nam protest the CIA would plant agents in organizations that tried to get people to use violence just so they could justify the use of force.

[Cleita]

13. Yes, you were still here in the states. Things hadn't deteriorated

as badly here in the states as they have now. In Vietnam things were very different. The only peaceful thing you could do there was immolate yourself like the Buddhist monks did.

[pooja]

7. it starts with Oct. 05.. if the country stops, we win without weapons

By stopping, we do. If everyone participates, they can't fire anyone.

[Rex]

11. No

Not yet.

[meganmonkey]

12. See you in the streets next Thursday. General strikes in 100+ cities

Announcing a Day of Mass Resistance:

OCTOBER 5, 2006

BRING THIS TO A HALT!

YOUR GOVERNMENT, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

YOUR GOVERNMENT is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

YOUR GOVERNMENT puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

YOUR GOVERNMENT is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

YOUR GOVERNMENT suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

YOUR GOVERNMENT is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

YOUR GOVERNMENT enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.

People look at all this and think of Hitler - and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come.

We must act now; the future is in the balance.

Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this. They recognize the need for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet the enormity of the challenge, and people sense this. There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing." People who steal elections and believe they're on a "mission from God" will not go without a fight. There is not going to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This whole idea of putting our hopes and energies into "leaders" who tell us to seek common ground with fascists and religious fanatics is proving every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people.

But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn - or be forced - to accept. There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it. And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can really make a huge change in this country and in the world. We need more than fighting Bush's outrages one at a time, constantly losing ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and can, aim to create a political situation where the Bush regime's program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and can take responsibility to change the course of history. Acting in this way, we join with and give support and heart to people all over the globe who so urgently need and want this regime to be stopped.

This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we are NOT going to stop. The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined.

The future is unwritten. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.

http://www.worldcantwait.org/