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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:38 PM
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It all goes back to the same question, don't it?
At what point do you decide that sacrificing principle is "worth it" in terms of political expediency?

We've gone around and around and AROUND about this one. And personally, I think the answer is as unique as each of us here. Many believe the line has been crossed, and they just CANNOT support a Dem who voted for this bill - no matter the cost. And many believe that the line has NOT been crossed, that without our continued support, things could get even WORSE.

Can we please simply honor each other's position on this? I can't think of anyone who doesn't ABHOR the bill itself, and I am so disgusted with Salazar I could just SPIT!!! But I DO believe things could be even worse. And that's why - holding my nose and clutching a half-filled barf bag, I would still pull a lever for Salazar. That's my position, but I respect the hell out of people who feel the other way.

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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:43 PM
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1. In Florida there is an alternative candidate for Senator...
Nelson may as well wear Republican on his lapel... this is a grassroot campaign.. do what you want. Support who will support you. Sometimes this comes in the form of an Independant.



BRIAN MOORE
for U.S. Senate
An Independent Anti-War Candidate

FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2006


"Living Income Program"

SPRING HILL FL. Sept. 22, 2006, Brian Moore, the independent anti-war candidate for the U.S. Senate (Ind.), proposed in the form of a news release a "Living Income Program" which would "provide $10,000 stipends annually to the lowest quintile (20%) of Americans, whether working or not." It would all depend on their economic situation.

Mr. Moore made his proposal in a one-hour debate with Anthony Kovovic and host Chris Krimitsos, a week and a half ago on the televised Tampa community television show, "Bleeping Truth."

Continues at www.votebrianmoore. com (see news release or TV video on home page)

I-4 Corridor Forum

LAKELAND FL. Sept. 21, 2006

Brian gave a rousing and impassioned speech and received applause and kudos for his speech. The major thrust of his talk was his criticism of the two party system, appealing to Democrats because Democratic Senator Bill Nelson does not vote according to their party's principles and takes big corporate money.

Continues at www.votebrianmoore. com (see Brian's blog)

Immigration

Joined the Immigration Protest in Tampa, Sat., 9/16 against a congressional bill which will criminalize illegal immigrants. Plus, *A border fence with Mexico sends the wrong message and does nothing to solve the immigration challenge*

Continues at www.votebrianmoore. com (see Brian's blog)

Opposes US--UK Extradition Agreement Which Hurts Irish-Americans.

Brian wrote our two Florida Senators (Nelson & Martinez) to oppose the ratification of a US-UK extradition treaty.

Irish-Americans, who donate money or help the cause of Irish unity in Ireland, can now be extradited to England as "terrorists" without the normal rights for all Americans. President Bush is pushing this as payback to Prime Minister Tony Blair for being a loyal ally in the Iraq War. More at www.votebrianmoore. com (see Brian's blog)

9/11 Five Year Anniversary Antiwar Demonstration

TAMPA, FL. US Senate candidate Brian Moore (Ind.) joined Florida citizens from around the state in a protest outside McDill Air Force Base. To mark the 5th Anniversary of 9/11 attack. Continues at www.votebrianmoore. com (see blog)

NEWEST VOLUNTEER STAFF to JOIN CAMPAIGN:

Public/Media Relations: Laura Jenny ( Jacksonville, St. John's County)
Research: Kate Wilson/Helen Choate/Elaine Nichols (Pinellas & Hernando)
Economic Impact of Issues: Dallas Dunlap, Economist
Martin County Coordinator: Patti Smith: (Stuart)
Pinellas County Coordinator: Elaine Nichols
Green Party: Michael Canney & Cathy Gilbert (State Co-Chairs--G' ville & Miami)
Vasco Pomares: Broward-Dade County Coordinator (Green Party)
Palm Beach County Coordinator: Basil Basquette: (Tequesta)
Pasco County Coordinator (Dade City) - Anna Ranger Boone
Newsletter & Press Secretary: Faith Carr: (Gainesville)
Letter writer, Edit articles, - Diana Burke, Dallas Dunlap, and Anonymous
Alachua County Coordinator: Mark Venzke
St. John's County Coordinator: Ronald & Mary Lea Zamora
Wakula County (Panama City): Henry Lawrence (Green Party)
Vets for Peace, Alachua County: Scott Camil


SOME OF SENATOR NELSON'S VOTING RECORD:

YES - To War Resolution and Continuing Support of War
YES - To Patriot Acts
YES - To tax relief for the wealthy**
YES - To Offshore Florida and Anwar Oil Drilling
YES - To the Bankruptcy bill **
YES - To Repeal the Estate Tax **
YES - For Alberto Gonzalez as Attorney General **
YES - To Terry Schiavo Legislation for Government Intervention **
YES - To increase number of detention centers to incarcerate illegal immigrants
YES - To the Flag Amendment making it a felony for physical desecration of flag (in protests) **
YES - To support free trade regarding NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, WTO
YES - To support free trade in the Oman Treaty (Sept. 19, '06)
YES - to Cuban Embargo
YES - to allocate $80 million more in 2006 for Voice of America Propaganda to Cuba
YES - To allocate $85 million more for 800 additional full time active duty investigators to investigate immigration law violations**
YES - To allocate $65 million more in emergency funding for predators for the Air Force (Sept. '06) **
YES - To allocate funds for multiyear procurement of F-22A jet fighters & F-119 engines **
NO - To fund urgent priorites of first responders by reducing tax breaks for individuals with incomes over $1,000,000
NO - To Senator Feinstein's allocation of funds to protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster bombs **
NO - On state sense of congress regarding US Policy in Iraq **

(** means voted against own party's preference; some blank are unknown at this publication of newsletter)



NELSON CAMPAIGN FUND SUPPORT

Raised over $18 million
Close to 40% of funds from insurance, banking, space, defense, pharmaceutical, agriculture, trial lawyers and health industries

(Nelson is usually one of a handful of Democrats to vote with Republicans)

Story continues at www.votebrianmoore. com (see releases and "Letter" page)
Nelson quoted in Miami Herald, Sept. 11th: "…the vast majority is in the mainstream, and that's right where I am."

DONATIONS

Please send a contribution today to the Brian Moore for Senate Campaign. I t is essential that we raise $25,000 by September 30th for 5,000 yard signs and statewide radio spots. Please donate at www.votebrianmoore. com (go to "donate" page, pay via "Pay Pal" or let us know you are mailing check). Thank U.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:01 PM
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9. Our Independents tend to be more RW than the Repugs.
They're usually gun nuts who got disowned by the Republicans for being too whacky. So not much of an option here.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:44 PM
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2. I am holding a half-filled barf bag for DINO Debbie Stabenow--and that's..
not knowing how she voted on the torture bill. Anyone know?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:44 PM
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3. She voted YES
are you surprised?

:puke:
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:46 PM
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5. Make that a full barf bag!!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:47 PM
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6. She voted for it
:puke:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:46 PM
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4. It's a two-step rocess.
FIRST we get a solid majority.

THEN we start straightening out the Weak Sisters. That's a sexist term, I know it, and I apologize, but it feels like the right one, somehow, just now.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:55 PM
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7. After a day like today, though, it's hard to be optimistic.
Honestly, I do start to wonder what makes me think this could ever happen. I guess I just need more faith, somehow. That sounds pretty weak.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:57 PM
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8. It's possible to .
... be for the Democratic party and against asshole enablers.

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