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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:46 PM
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Kucinich on the torture bill
http://www.kucinich.us/floor_speeches/def_doing2institut27sep.php

What are we doing to this institution?
Dennis Kucinich speaking from the Floor of the House

Sep 27, 2006

Speaking in opposition to H.R. 6166, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Congressman Kucinich said:

"Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the distinguished gentleman from Missouri , and let my colleagues know that I have read the bill and what I read here is pretty chilling. Matter of fact, I want to quote something from the bill that has not been discussed and ask that all of my friends read this bill so that we can see if this really reflects what we want to do and the implications this could have for Members of Congress, because I have stood on this floor time and time again to protect this institution, and I want Members of Congress to think about this provision.

"You know, we have heard the President make comments that people who oppose this bill are really hurting the United States. We have all heard him say this.

" 'Section 950v., paragraph 26, wrongfully aiding the enemy. Any person subject to this chapter,' -- by the way, anybody -- 'who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States, or any of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct.'

"I want to know, are Members of Congress who challenge this administration as to their taking us into illegal wars, is that somehow contrary to allegiance to the United States? I mean, we need to think about this. What are we doing to this institution here? Are we turning us all into mice here, running into a corner because we are afraid to challenge the President?

"I mean, my friends who are Republicans, stand up for the Republic, to the Republic for which it stands. Stand up for the Republic. Read this provision in this bill.

"There is another provision in the bill that I think deserves a careful look. Suppose a President sometime in the future declares that some country has weapons of mass destruction, and based on those claims, the Congress moves quickly to give the President the authority to wage war, and then war is waged and hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed as collateral damage, and then we find out later on they did not have weapons of mass destruction, and then you have all these dead people, but they were collateral damage. Under this bill, which I have read, collateral damage is precluded from applicability with respect to the enforcement of the rule of law, or if there is a lawful attack, collateral damage is precluded from being cited.

"Now, suppose that happened in this country. That would be so awful that something like that happened, but essentially we are giving a get-out-of-jail-free card to the very officials who could lead this country down a path to war and kill innocent people based on lies.

"I do not see this as a Republican or a Democrat argument. I see this as a question of whether we stand up for what this country was founded upon. What are we about? What do we believe in? That is what we have to answer here, and this bill is everything we do not believe in."
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:47 PM
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1. kr/nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:48 PM
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2. And people ridicule this man for wanting to be POTUS.
I remember the treatment DK got from everyone when he ran. It is sad, he should be running things with Wes Clarke, to bad people hate the obvious road.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:48 PM
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3. Clarity
from Dennis

K&R
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:51 PM
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4. Yes, Dennis, they ARE afraid of Bush.
Thank you.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:54 PM
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5. Dennis Speaks For Me!
I hate these kinds of subject lines, but what the hell I love the lil guy! :patriot:
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:02 PM
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9. I love Dennis Kucinich
I want so much for his Department of Peace to come to fruition and become more important and influential than the Department of War (mis-named 'Defense'). But that would take an overthrow of the fascist Bush regime, either by vote or revolution....
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:55 PM
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6. Nice, we need a whole Senate full of guys like this.
:kick:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:55 PM
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7. Well he got his answer today. God bless you, D.K.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:56 PM
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8. One of the tallest men on the House floor n/t
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:06 PM
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11. You're right.
Dennis Kucinich is MUCH taller than he looks. :patriot:
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:29 PM
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12. Here's a recent interview he and his wife did on their trip to Lebanon
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:03 PM
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10. Dennis you're the greatest - only the corrupt can raise money!!
damn1 I wish you were running!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:34 PM
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13. I love and support Dennis
and the ideals he tries to hold our country to. He would make a far, far greater president than Dubya, and Poppy Bush and St. Ronnie together. He has more honesty and integrity in his little finger than the rest of the neocons together in their bodies and souls.

This says it all..."I do not see this as a Republican or a Democrat argument. I see this as a question of whether we stand up for what this country was founded upon. What are we about? What do we believe in? That is what we have to answer here, and this bill is everything we do not believe in."

Thank you, Dennis.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:55 PM
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14. DK is the best we've got. n/t
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:57 AM
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15. We need more representatives who speak truth like Kucinich
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:01 AM
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16. Beautiful!
DK is a true stand up guy. And he knows the score. He also had the brains to see what this was about, and the balls to say no. You go Dennis!
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:14 AM
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17. kick
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:16 AM
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18. That is what ALL Democrats should sound like.
No excuses for not standing up for real American ideals.

The politicians that voted yes to torture do NOT deserve your votes!
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:20 PM
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19. I love that man. One of the few true progressives in the House.
Kucinich for President!!
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:25 PM
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20. I truly believe that...
if all Dems stood up like DK, the upcoming election would be so large a Dem victory that even Diebold couldn't "fix" it without obvious tampering. The Dem base will vote Blue and the Repuke base will vote red - we can pretty much count on that. However, those who aren't strongly affiliated to one or the other (if they actually get out and vote) will probably go with the party shouting the clear and unified message. WE should be hearing OUR message shouted from the mouths and hearts of EVERY member of our party. Standing up for everything that is right and good about America is a damn strong platform and unifying the Party around it would surely wake up the apathetic Americans and wipe the sands of confusion from the eyes of the rest who have been duped by the right these last few elections.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:28 PM
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21. He's Right! It Is Not A DEM/REPUB Issue! It IS About WHO We Are...
... what you see here is an example of standing up for what is right.

In the past we would have characterized this as evidence of Statesmanship.

Today.... under this bill .... he may be classified an "enemy combatant."
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:32 PM
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22. Bravo, Dennis, Bravo!!!
Very well said. Too bad that not enough of your colleagues bothered to listen.

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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:34 PM
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23. Dennis speaks for me !
And always has.

I was proud supporter during the last elections, a delegate of my state on his behalf...

I deeply admire and respect Dennis.

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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:31 PM
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24. Cleveland is lucky to have him. I hope they always remember that.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:42 PM
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25. A true patriot! A "founding father" for our times!
k&r
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:16 PM
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26. Dennis and Bernie!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:18 PM
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27. Bernie...Bernie!
www.bernie.org
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:20 PM
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28. Thanks once again to Kucinich
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:09 PM
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29. I love Kucinich
He is awesome and a vegan :)!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:34 PM
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30. If all elected Democrats
spoke and acted with the dedication, clarity, and integrity of this man, the Democratic Party would hold the WH, the House, and the Senate easily.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:55 PM
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31. Great speech. If GOP were patriots, they'd listen.
Gotta get everyone to the polls in november, people.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 03:01 PM
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32. I love the red-headed step-child of the Democratic Party.
It is just so sad that he doesn't "look Presidential" and therefore cannot be elected outside of his district. :banghead:
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