Well, I Guess We Now Know What Happens When The Xians Run the USA

[stopbush]

Torture, wiretapping and the death of the Constitution.

I'm sorry, but I've had it with the apologists who say that "bush and cabal aren't really Xians." You know what?
They are. They are by doctrine and they are by their actions and by history. They are doing exactly what "Xian governments" have
done throughout history, and that is to take away the rights of the common man and reserve them to the government. It is the
belief that "they" know the truth and the rest of us are miserable idiots.

I'm sick of it. Sick of their smug preachiness and sick of their fucking politics based on imaginary creatures. Look at the ROOT cause
of why we are where we are today and you will see American Xianity staring you in the face.

We're sitting here weeping for the death of our democracy while tens of millions of Xians in this country are rejoicing that bushco
has moved us closer to hell on Earth.

I'm sure this will get tombstoned quickly. Can't be anti-religion, you know!

[BelgianMadCow]

1. You can be atheistic but your post is offending indeed

to many a christian who does not support the Junta in their actions. Maybe you do that on purpose, using Xians as well...

I'd volunteer that Bush support under christians is as low as it is overall.
Do you have any indication of the contrary?

You could also make a post saying : true christians would never support Bush*co because...

same sentiment, but positive.

Just saying, no offense intended or taken by me personally.

[Bluebear]

3. We can argue till the MadCows come home about "True Christians"

I understand your post, and I respect Christ as a teacher. But enough of this "true Christian" thing, it's a HUGE bloc of Christians that put this horror into power. Who are we to say who the "true" are anymore? I have to take it on these barbarians word that they are Christian, they say so, they use it to get votes, people respond to it, and here we are.

The clue is to get the better definition of true Christians elected. In November!

tot ziens!

[Coexist]

19. well put.

:thumbsup:

[Liberal Dose]

22. I'd settle for a little more Christ-like, and A LOT LESS Christian. n/t

[Howardx]

4. personally im offended by xtians everyday

n/t

[BlooInBloo]

13. Only if the truth is offensive.... which I suppose it is for christians...

... science, molestor priests, etc. all testify to the truth of that conjecture.

[sandnsea]

2. I think it's theocracies

I don't think it's unique to Christianity. Look around the world, any time religion replaces law, you've got trouble. We'd probably be able to make the case for continued separation of church and state if we focused on the general theocratic danger instead of antagonizing good Christians.

[SmokingJacket]

5. Carter was a Christian, but not like this.

The problem comes when people EXPLOIT their religion to justify whatever the hell they want to justify.

The "christianity" of Bushco is not the problem, but they're hiding behind it to disguise their destruction of the constitution as some kind of moral act.

[gratuitous]

6. Really, and what makes the cabal "Xian"?

They say they're Christians?

There's an old kid's joke that goes, "How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?" Four. Just because you call his tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.

By the same token, the day walking into a church makes a person a Xian is the day walking into a barn makes that person a cow. And while tens of millions of people who claim to be Xian are "rejoicing," there are tens of millions of other people who actually walk their talk who are mourning.

But if you'd like to see what Xians are up to, I invite you to go on a Christian Peacemaker Team delegation. It's only a couple of weeks, you'll probably get to face a few scowling, armed men with nothing going for you but your belief system. I've done it, with nothing but "imaginary creatures" on my side; you up for it, stopbush? Or isn't walking your big talk part of your world view?

[jonnyblitz]

8. what can't some of you just admit there are bad christians

in the world and always have been. I think it is the height of arrogance to go around proclaiming who is a "real" christian and who is not. I am sure the right wing christians claim left wing christians are not "real". When the history of christianity, in total, seems to be awash in blood are we to assume most who have claimed to be christians since the beginning of it's inception have not be "real" ones? Just admit there are many people who PROCLAIM to be christian who do not follow YOUR interpretation of what is a good christian. As I am being bashed over the head with a baseball bat for being gay by some fundie quoting leviticus am I supposed to take comfort in the fact that this is not a "real" christian doing this to me?

[gratuitous]

9. And why can't you put away the broad brush?

There are good and bad people in any partition of humanity that you care to name. How often do gay people (for example) talk about abusive relationships? Not very often; mostly because gay couples tend to have enough to contend with dealing with ignorant fools, and inviting society to look at and comment on their "dirty laundry" is just asking for more trouble. Does that mean all gay persons should be tarred with the same brush of abusing their partners? No, and only ignoramuses would do so.

So what does it mean when someone cloaks their bigotry and ignorance in a two or three carefully culled verses from the Bible? Does that make them a Christian simply because they're hiding their bigotry behind what they think is some kind of holy imprimatur? And does that mean that every Christian is out to "get" you because you're gay? If that's what you think, then you're at least as ignorant as "some fundie."

[Jacobin]

25. $1 billion in kickbacks from the federal government to

Christian Churches who voted for the idiot en masse, disguised as 'faith based' funding.

[genie_weenie]

7. Well, your title is not true.

We know what happens when we allow Rulers to Rule. This is the natural result of the creation of a Federal Government. Just go read Polybius. Same thing he wrote about in the Histories.

Of course, that statement makes me a terrorist. Because I am sowing discontent in an institution which kills and steals. Government is wrong but getting to your point; Christianity is wrong. It is an human idea which has been bandied back in forth (absorbing the minds of some great thinkers unfortunately) for 2000 years.

Like all human constructs it needs to be criticized and ridiculed. Unfortunately, doing so opens one up to attacks by those who identify themselves as a member of a group and view an attack on their outmoded style of thinking as an attack on them.

[Swede]

10. You're an idiot.

You could have easily said "I guess we know what happens when the Americans run the USA."

[mikelewis]

11. Matthew - Chapter 7

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
So by their fruits you will know them.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'"

[ContraBass Black]

12. Because, of course, lying, cheating, stealing, and torturing aren't done

By non-Christians.

[Holly_Hobby]

16. Your cross

is an instrument of torture.

[spoony]

24. Take it up with the romans who used it.

[patcox2]

14. And when was it not run by christians?

Christian Franklin Roosevelt, Christian John F. Kennedy, Christian Jimmy Carter, they too were evil I suppose?

Bigot.

[Holly_Hobby]

17. Bigot?

How Christian of you.

Whatever happened to Thou Shalt Not Judge and Turning the Other Cheek?

[spoony]

26. Bull

The purpose of these threads is to bait Christians into defending themselves and then call them unChristian for doing so.

Whatever happened to not making broad-brush condemnations of huge swaths of the public? Many of whom are as horrified by torture and neo-fascism as any atheist here?

[nashville_brook]

15. glad to KnR before the inquisition -- you are right... that's why we have

a DEMOCRACY -- to protect us from the abuses of ABSOLUTISM.

let the offended be angry. they can put us all away in their f'in halliburton prisons soon enough.

[FooFootheSnoo]

18. Remember this:

I think I first heard this saying hear on DU. Being a Christian is like being a lady, if they have to tell everyone they are a lady or a Christian, then they probably aren't. So, just because someone stands on a podium and declares how much they love God or Jesus, it doesn't mean they do. Make sense?

[mimitabby]

20. well said!

Happily, there are some real xtians coming out of the woodwork and declaring that
they are NOT in lockstep with the majority... but not near enough to push this
(bowel) movement into oblivion.

Ever since politicians started talking about xtian family values, god interjected into the
pledge of allegiance, etc, etc, our country has headed way way way down the wrong street.

It would be heartily refreshing to have as our next president someone who can
make a decision not based on the old testament or worse. And courageous enough to NOT
declare a church association.

[alittlelark]

21. Stopbush, where did you go? Hit and run?

[leftofthedial]

23. religion is mental illness

is a bumpersticker I once saw

for some, it appears to be true

[The empressof all]

27. Locking

Broadbrush flamebait.....