If you are tired of Nelson and the She-Devil--- Look here.

[pooja]

NEWS RELEASE
VOTING FOR TORTURE IN THE US SENATE
Effective: Immediately
Thursday 10:16 pm, September 26, 2006
For more information, please contact:
Brian Moore [phone] -- [phone]
Darcy Richardson [phone]
www.votebrianmoore. com

Antiwar Candidate Blasts Senator Nelson's Vote on Terrorism Suspects Bill As "Un-American, Abandoning America's Principles and Voting for Torture"

Independent Senate Candidate Brian Moore contends war prisoners should be given same rights as citizens; president is given too much power and protection

SPRING HILL, FLORIDA, Thursday, September 28th---Brian Moore, the independent antiwar candidate for the US Senate in Florida severely criticized U.S. Senator Bill Nelson of Florida for his "vote for torture" today, for seriously limiting the rights of war prisoners and for protecting the Bush Administration and CIA operatives "from being held accountable for their abuse and torturing of prisoners" not to speak of the war itself.

Moore contends that this bill "threatens" the constitutional guarantees of the US Constitution, and could have serious repercussions "on the safety and security of our country and its citizens." The Independent went further that "this could also have serious ramifications on our soldiers" when and if they are taken prisoner in foreign wars.

Nelson's vote today only confirms that he is a "right wing Democrat" at best, said the antiwar candidate, and a person "willing to compromise his principles and his country's welfare for self-interest purposes." "I am really running against two Republicans," said Moore, "and this must be embarrassing for their parties that both are willing to sell their souls at any cost"---and in this case it is serious, serious business. Today's vote was a statement on "who we are as a people" and "whether we are a moral civilization or not," said the Independent candidate. I am "deeply disappointed" in the United States Senate, and our president, for putting political expediency ahead of our moral leadership in the world, Moore continued, and they are "jeopardizing the very lives and welfare of our troops" in the future.

Moore is challenging Senator Nelson for one of the two US Senate seats in Florida.

The Independent candidate harshly criticized not only Mr. Nelson, but the US Senate as a whole, for its denial of access to courts for detainees seeking to challenge their imprisonment at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and elsewhere. If anything, Moore contended, the Senate, and the House, "should have expanded detainees legal rights, decreased the authority of the executive branch, and upheld the principles and morals for which this country was founded on.

Moore questioned Senator Nelson, and the Senate, on "how can sleep deprivation, hypothermia and water boarding be civil acts condoned by America?" "How can we, in good conscience, conduct ourselves in this manner," Moore stated? I am "appalled and shamed," he said. Moore continued that this tolerance of torture and abuse by our congress and our government "is contrary to what we are all about, what we stand for, and what we urge every other nation not to do."

These actions do not protect our country, nor our future American troops who will be taken prisoner, but only enhance the danger and security of our country by such bellicose, uncivilized conduct. This is not what America is about. And Senator Nelson should have known better, especially as a lawyer. "Shame on you," Mr. Nelson, and the US Senators, who voted for this bill. Moore said "You have blood on your hands." You, like President Bush, are not only responsible for a terrible, illegal, immoral war, but now you have "compounded your folly and blindness by this congressional action today."

The United States is abandoning its fundamental principles of fairness. If we erode our moral standing our image in the world is nothing, and our ability to keep peace and harmony amongst the world, and safety for our own country, is eroded. We are bringing unforeseen dangers and troubles upon our children and grandchildren. . We should have taken the high road, not the low road. It is a sad day for America today.

[bullimiami]

1. good. if hes on my ballot I will vote for him.

[katmondoo]

2. I met him. He is a good man

[soup]

3. Divide and conquer. n/t

[Toots]

24. Unite for torture

:shrug:

[stuartrida]

4. I am glad that we still have Nelson to vote for

Florida is getting more Republican by the day. The fact that 35% of Florida thinks Harris would be a better Senator than Nelson is a good indication of that.

[never_get_over_it]

27. I have a great idea

to fix the repunk problem here - PLEASE all you DUers in cold states that don't like the cold - pack up and move here and we'll out number the bastards...lol - no really help us misery loves company

and 35% supporting the witch isn't really an indication that we're getting more repunkish here - that is about the right number for the fundamentalist - crazy idiots in this country...you know kind of like the freaks that still support the King - Jesus my head hurts....

[liberaldemocrat7]

5. I will only accept the act of tickle torture to obtain information.

If we need to get information from detainees then bring out the feathers as I will only accept the act of tickle torture.

Every other physical act I reject.

[GetTheRightVote]

6. Thank you for this information, he will have my vote as well.

I can not believe Bill voted for torture, I called him so many times telling him of my strong distaste for such actions on our part as a nation. I guess he did not want my little old vote anyway.

:kick:

[bowens43]

9. So you like Harris? Then why not just vote for her?

[bowens43]

7. This post may be a violation of DU rules.

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Take it somewhere else

[watercolors]

15. Sorry , I'll support who ever I want

even if I am a Dem. Right now Nelson is a traitor and I will not support him, I consider him to be another Lieberman! NO one dictated to me!!!

[NotGivingUp]

28. damn straight!!! same here!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. We must take back the Senate and House

Moore should have registered has a DEM and challenged Nelson in the primary.

Now is not the time to take away DEM votes, no matter how repulsive a DEM they are.

[watercolors]

20. Bull Crap!!

nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. In the meantime

Charlie Crist is on his way to becoming governor but no one seems to give a shit.

Backing someone who doesn't have a chance in hell is so much more important I suppose?

[watercolors]

23. Ita my vote

I choose to cast it as a no vote to Nelson & Harris. Life is not all black and white, thats our problem!

[soup]

25. No, it isn't.

The primary is the time to vote your heart.

The general election is vote to win.

Period.

[never_get_over_it]

10. I've posted several times

that I would be voting for Brian - just be prepared for the OH MY GOD you'll be helping Katherine Harris responses - I was once even told to shove my vote for Brian up my butt - and told this was a Democratic Board and if I couldn't support Dems I should leave

All of which has truly saddened me - I have only lived in FL for two years - it has been a complete culture shock for me - I am deeply depressed that I don't have a shred of representation - and I CAN NOT VOTE for Nelson - EVERY time I have ever called on an issue he has voted the opposite way....and yesterday was absolutely the LAST straw - I really can't take it anymore

I want the Dems to take back the House and the Senate I have been a Dem my entire life and worked in my first campaign when I was about 6 - it hurts deeply that just because I can not support a man who the only thing Democratic about him is the D behind his name - in my mind he is only one step better than Joe LIEberman simply because he doesn't as vocally defend this criminal administration.

I have heard Brian on Bob Kinkaid's show and I liked him A LOT and I will vote for him

We all have to do what our conscience tells us and this is it for me....

[bowens43]

12. That's right

this is a Democratic Board and if you don'tsupport Dems you should leave. It is a violation of the rules to advocate voting for anyone other then the Dem if there is a Dem in the race.

[never_get_over_it]

19. I DO SUPPORT DEMS

and I have all my life - just because you call yourself a Dem and then vote like a repunk - does not mean you're a Dem - its not just this one vote - although this one is SO DISGUSTING - it is time after time after time

Please don't think this is easy for me or anyone else it breaks my freaking heart....I CRIED when I read the news about this vote - he is enabling them to freaking ruin the country I love - how could I possibly in good conscience support him - and it breaks my heart that after being a member of this board for five and a half years - people think I should just leave - because I am stuck with an ass hole senator who is driving me out of my mind....

I have worked in Dem campaigns since I was a little girl in the mid 60s - I have given money over and over and over again - and I am not advocating anyone to vote for Brian - I believe in this case we all have to think hard and make our own decisions - some people think it will help the witch to vote for Brian and by all means if that is the case vote for Nelson - I truly believe she doesn't have a snow ball's chance in hell (accept of course this is after all FL and how one casts their vote and how it is counted ain't necessarily the same thing - which also DRIVES ME NUTS) - I am just saying for me enough is enough Bill Nelson I can't take it any more....

[soup]

13. Sounds like you got over it then.

[bowens43]

11. The so called progressives in Florida did this to us in 2000

They gave us bush, Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo, 911, the torture bill, domestic spying, secret prisons, signing statements etc. and now they want to fuck us again by putting Harris in the Senate. Won't these people ever learn?

[never_get_over_it]

14. This is not the same as 2000

Katherine Harris doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell of winning - that was not the case in 2000 - believe me if I really thought that she could win I would vote for Nelson - but I don't and the thought of voting for someone who voted for torture literally makes me sick to my stomach

This is a very difficult position to be in and it saddens me deeply.....

[soup]

17. I am, quite frankly, disgusted with Sen. Nelson for the vote yesterday.

But I am not willing to take even the slightest chance that Harris could pull this election out of her hat. As painful as it is, this is just non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned.

53% to 35% sounds good to me, and I think we need to do everything we can to keep it that way. How close does it have to be for her to pull a 'surprise win' on these damn touchscreen machines that she certified?

[denese]

The so called progressives in Florida?

I seem to remember something about the Supreme Court saddling us with **Bush.
Please don't blame this fiasco on us Floridians.
If Harris, by some miracle, wins the election, it will be more thanks to Diebold than the people of Florida.

[pooja]

16. You may call yourself a democrat... But even a wolf can dress

in sheeps clothing. I wish I did not have to campaign for an independant. I wish I could stand in Nelson's camp and work tirelessly for the "good fight". He is not worthy of my vote. He's not worthy to shake my hand or look me in the eyes. A vote for TORTURE IS WRONG. He is done. I hadn't made up my mind who to endorse. I was a fence sitter until yesterday. I will not help anyone else become elected who will continue to destroy America. I don't care what anyone says either. I am a democrat. I am an official party member. I vote in the primaries. I vote-- even with the inconvenience of a write-in ballot. Yesterday was a wake up. Everyone who voted YES, needs to be arrested and tried for treason.

[KharmaTrain]

18. Let's See How Things Shake Out On Nov. 8...

If the Democrats take control of either the House or Senate, then its time we take a closer look at whose "selling out".

Right now, this is a total Repugnican game. They set up the bill, they set the rules, they already had the votes to pass and were just waiting to trap some vulnerable Democrats in another "beat your wife" vote. It'd be a different thing if there were Democrat sponsors on this bill or that there were those openly advocating it on the floor. It'll also be another thing if the power shifts to our side and we not only have the vote, but have the power to set the rules and the agenda.

A game the Repugnicans like to play is the "Democrats have no ideas" game...they play it well cause they've jobbed the rules in the House & Senate where any proposals or ammmendments are bottled up in committee or aren't allowed to even be offered...or, in the case of Macaca Allen, you just steal someone elses. This vote was strictly a Repugnican game...and one that now puts all who voted in favor of torture as being a boooosh toadie and rubber stamp. If there's anything the Repugnicans are chaffing at right now is being called what they are. They'd rather see us fight and take the heat off their own contradictions and hypocricies.

If the Democrats win back the House and or Senate, I suspect there will be a different tune sung by many of those who people call DINOs or other nasty names. When the power flows from our side...and the money...we'll see different votes, since there will be a different agenda under different rules. Then, if someone constantly crosses over and plays LIEberman...I'm right there with you in looking for a challenger in the next primary.

Cheers...

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Nelson will win by a landslide

He is currently leading harris by 18%.

[BeachBuckeye]

26. So some of you think we should vote for a man who condones torture?

Nelson is my Senator and I could not be more ashamed of him. He is NOT a Democrat. He is running ads right now that says he doesn't "care about political parties" but just votes for what is right. Was the torture bill "Right"?

This is a man who claims to be a Democrat and has refused to be a guest on my program because his people say he wants to be in tune with "all" of the people in Florida instead of just Democrats. This is a man who refuses to be on my program but regularly appears on the local 24/7 Right-Wing radio stations. When he is not on their morning program they mock and humiliate him but he keeps going back for more but will not appear on the program of a genuine Democrat.

This is a man who condones torture. There is no place in the Democratic Party for someone with such an absence of morality.

I, too, will vote for the independent candidate. At least he stands for something. Nelson is a useless piece of crap for Floridians.

[unhappycamper]

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