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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:13 AM
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War Crimes Proven: "Rights Not Judicially Enforceable"
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 10:21 AM by pat_k
A very interesting phrase was omitted from the final draft of Bush's War

The phrase in itself proves the intent to commit a war crime with malice aforethought.

The phrase: "RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.".

The phrase itself demonstrates a recognition that rights actually existed, and the intent to violate those rights through non-enforcement.

Yes. It is just that simple.

Case Closed on the newly inaugurated War Criminal Nation.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/nkk/documents/MilitaryCommissions.pdf"">Original -- See page 79

As Passed http://thomas.loc.gov">S. 3930 -- See Sec. 7(a)

If they are Rights they Cannot be Unenforceable.

Are you outraged?? If you are, don't keep it to yourself!!

http://voiceoutrage.com">voiceoutrage.com
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thedeanpeople Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:49 AM
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1. K&R
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:46 PM
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3. Hi thedeanpeople!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:46 PM
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5. Thx!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:25 PM
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4. Hey BUFF!
:hi: How all y'all been?

-Hoot
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:30 PM
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7. Hey Hoot!
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 05:31 PM by pat_k
I created thedeanpeople login to post announcements for the organization. Day-to-day, I post as pat_k (as a rule, won't shamelessly kick "nyself" as I did today).

Anyway, we've been good (and busy!). Fighting on!!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:01 PM
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9. BTW, thanks for the link....
...in the thread I followed you from, regarding "belief people." Explains a lot. You might want to start a thread with that one.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:22 PM
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10. Have put it out there periodically -- usually in reponses
. . . had some interesting exchanges on the topic back in June. In case you're interested, here's a link. (this one is sort of "mid-discussion" but provides a follow on from the Salon post).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2681291&mesg_id=2682633



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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:33 PM
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2. This is PROOF
That they either knew exactly what they were doing, or are too stupid/lazy to be in the Senate. The clause is almost the same, except that the version that was passed is more specific.

The big difference is in the heading--removing the one that was potentially explosive. You can't tell me at least *some* of them didn't know exactly what they were doing.

Original version, with potentionaly explosive heading:
(b) RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.— 7
(1) IN GENERAL.—No person in any habeas 8
action or any other action may invoke the Geneva 9
Conventions or any protocols thereto as a source of 10
rights, whether directly or indirectly, for any pur- 11
pose in any court of the United States or its States 12
or territories. 13

Version that was passed, heading defanged, clause beefed up:
SEC. 7. TREATY OBLIGATIONS NOT ESTABLISHING 8
GROUNDS FOR CERTAIN CLAIMS. 9
(a) IN GENERAL.—No person may invoke the Geneva 10
Conventions, or any protocols thereto, in any habeas or 11
civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or 12
a current or former officer, employee, member of the 13
Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States, is a 14
party, as a source of rights in any court of the United 15
States or its States or territories. 16
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:49 PM
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6. kick
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:24 PM
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8. k&r nt
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