Now that it has had time to sink in, people are even more angry...

[kentuck]

Some argue that the majority of Democrats voted against the bill. That is true but what is a leadership for if not to do a little arm-twisting and "persuading" from time to time. Or is that considered torture? Why couldn't the leadership have gotten a half-dozen of the Democrats that voted for this crap to the side and tell them that if they voted for this , they would lose the support of the Party in their next election. What's a leader for?

And what value is a Senator that puts their personal political stake above the Constitution and the country? If they will stab us in the back on a vote like this, what can they be trusted on? They cannot be trusted.

[jsamuel]

1. The ones who voted for it don't even know why they did.

Some of them say to protect the CIA etc, but at what cost?

[choie]

19. why should the CIA be protected?

If they commit atrocities they should be prosecuted - period.

[Land Shark]

2. We can't have any party members FORCED to stand in Uncomfortable

Positions (politically) but citizens can be detained without charge and tortured by, among other things, being forced to stand in uncomfortable positions for many hours on end.

[demigoddess]

3. I agree, I think if we take over the house and senate in the future these

guys should be the ones with the really lousy assignments and any other punishments that could be handed out. If we end up with a dictatorship it will be a good bit their fault.

[LSK]

4. they only needed 5 as Frist would have voted against cloture

So he can recommit later. Its a procedural thing.

[MrCoffee]

12. You will never convince me that Reid is not a spinless quisling.

[Webster Green]

5. Even if we win the House or Senate, the wuss-dems will obstruct us

There will be just enough turncoats voting with the pukes to make sure that no investigations are launched, and no war-criminals are held accountable

[kentuck]

7. They have for the last twenty years.

unfortunately.

[bowens43]

13. Bullshit.

If we controlled the house this bill would not have come for vote. If you're such a defeatist, why are you here? Are you are just here to di scourge those of us who see the value in Democratically controlled congress?

Hate to burst your bubble but it won't work. We will retake at least the house despite you.

[WA98296]

6. Not ONE did enough, not one. They care nothing for this country.

[JohnnyLib2]

8. My anger hasn't peaked yet

but Limbaugh just came on. Must-take-blood-pressure-meds.

[jdlh8894]

9. Losing the support of their party?

They need to worry more about losing support of the people who put them in office.

[angstlessk]

10. Did you know ROLLING THUNDER is condiderd a Terrorist Org?

They can now be arrested and held incognito forever! http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/presley.htm

Go to Appendix B

APPENDIX B.

SOME OF THE ACTIVE GROUPS OPERATING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PAST DECADE THAT HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS "TERRORIST":

....

Rolling Thunder. aka American Foundation for Accountability; primary focus is to draw attention to the POW/MIA issue from Vietnam War.

[anarch]

16. and "Animal Rights"...not even a specific group, but the whole ethos

"Eat this cheeseburger right now to prove you're a good American, or we're taking you to one of the camps!"

Of course, PETA is singled out specifically, so they might as well just round those people up right now. And Greenpeace. If you've ever contributed anything to one of these groups, or even bought something from them, I guess you are hereby on notice that you can now be detained indefinitely as an enemy of the state.

[angstlessk]

18. EXACTLY...my mom contributed to PETA years ago, HOWEVER

The man on the last thread I read was accused of supporting a french group who gave to Hamas, two years BEFORE the US put it on the 'terrorist' list..and he was told he SHOULD have known it contributed to Hamas! So ANYONE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO ANY GROUP AT ANYTIME IS SUBJECT TO ARREST AND DENIED HABEUS CORPUS!

[bowens43]

11. It doesn't matter now.

If we don't take back at least one house of congress. We're fucked. Let's take back congress and then work toward replacing these guys in the next election cycle. Allowing the Republicans to retain control of congress will not be helpful.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Wait till they steamroll through the cancellation of Social Security

early next year after the the gop maintains both houses.

[lyonn]

21. Talk about a bush Mandate! bush will be uncontrollable

if they keep the House and Senate. I will then join the ranks of those watching those reality shows and how goofy people spend their days, old movies, join my husband watchin WWII and all the wars before and after, oh, and tv poker is not bad. The Great Escape will be my mode.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. Vodka consumption will soar, just like it did in the Soviet Union.

[Nite Owl]

15. It's been the case with every thing that

we needed them to filibuster. They say the same thing that they don't have the votes. Reid may be a nice person, I have nothing against him personally but he is not a leader, leaders have followers and he cannot get the dems in the Senate to stay together on anything. Saying that they needed to vote this way to keep their seats is a cop out, they need to fight, they need to show the American people that if they are given the Senate that they will be there to fight for them and not rollover to this Administration. Even if people think that they are wrong on an issue, even if they don't agree with them they want to see elected officials that actually stand for something, that will fight for them. They had plenty of ways to fight this, to make the repukes seem unpatriotic for their vote against the Constitution. All this vote did was enable those who say that the both parties are the same, that they are all just pols there to save their own jobs.

[kentuck]

17. They may have helped themselves individually but...

they hurt the Party overall and decreased our chances of winning the House and the Senate.

[lyonn]

20. You have pretty well explained why Dems lose as often

as they do. We have the party that puts the average person first, yet, with votes like this you have got to wonder. All I can think is "Why"?

Your last paragraph may explain it:

"And what value is a Senator that puts their personal political stake above the Constitution and the country? If they will stab us in the back on a vote like this, what can they be trusted on? They cannot be trusted."

Years ago when I voted mostly Repub. it was because the Dems made good points but as a group they were scattered and uncertain in their rhetoric. Young people with families have only so many hours in a day to catch the news. They miss the real guts of what is happening is my conclusion. The repubs lie, bottom line, took me far too many years to realize it!

It only takes a few Dems in Congress to muddy the waters, we saw them yesterday!