seriously how do you explain

[plcdude]

the democrats that voted for the demise of habeas corpus and the pre-pardon of *? Of those who voted yes how many are up for election?

[Poll_Blind]

1. Their behavior is squarely at odds with our Party platform.

It makes no sense.

PB

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. Since when has the platform actually meant anything?

By the party's own admission (the Washington State party, at least), the platform is nothing more than propaganda and rhetoric; elected officials are free to vote their conscience, even when that conscience is diametically opposed to the platform.

[Poll_Blind]

12. Self-identified core values of the party are "propaganda and rhetoric"?

:shrug:

PB

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. I do not question that they represent core values of the rank-and-file

I question your assumption that most elected officials give a damn about the platform. When you look at how many Congress-critters routinely vote against the principles and ideals expressed in the platform, one has to wonder.

As for the crack about the Washington State party, I worked to help bring an equal marriage resolution to the state convention in 1998. The motion to add the resolution as a plank to the state platform met with stiff opposition from several Democrats in the Legislature. At last, the woman who organized the resolution spoke and pointed out that the platform was not binding and that Legislators were not, in any possible way, obligated to act on this or any other plank in the platform. The resolution passed and the plank was added, but so what?

[TechBear_Seattle]

2. ALL of them are up for reelection

At least, the 34 House members who voted to approve this monstrosity.

[pat_k]

5. It's 5 of 12

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. Oops. I was thinking of the torture bill, not the Enabling Act.

:hi:

[pat_k]

10. Call it what it is, "The War Criminals Protection Act"

I must log off (have spent too much time already).

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But you should be able to find the roll call for the bill on Thomas and compart to class on senate.gov, and compare to class.Don't keep the outrage to yourself!!

http://voiceoutrage.com">voiceoutrage.com

Call this abomination what it is: The War Criminals Protection Act

(And maybe give http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2255629&mesg_id=2255629">this one a kick)

[n2doc]

9. And of those 5, 3 have huge leads. n/t

[pat_k]

11. My theory. . .

They didn't want to repeat the Alito mistake, where more voted against then they needed for filibuster (begging the question, what the hell are they thinking? Vote for Cloture IS as good as a Yea)

So, the folks that expected the least negative response from constituients voted yea -- so that the numbers made us think, "Oh, well, they didn't have anywhere near enough to filibuster.

They are, of course, acting in an insane manner. Every demonstration of such weakness loses the Party as a whole votes (just confirms the "wimpy dems" image).

How do they expect Americans to believe they can stand up to terrorists if they won't stand up to Bush?

[MrCoffee]

7. I can forgive the House (somewhat)...they truly had no choice.

There is no mechanism to prevent the vote in the House. It was preordained that this abomination would pass the House.

It's the Senate that has abrogated it's duty to the Constitution. It's the Senate who traded away the filibuster for 4 amendments (I'm not counting Specter's as one of ours) that NEVER STOOD A CHANCE at passage.

[Name removed]

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[pat_k]

4. 5 of 12

Summary below (<http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259#name"|Source>)

Did a quick search on http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Class=1
Might have missed someone, but this is what I got.

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Democratic Senators
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32 Nay

12 Accessories After the Fact:
Carper, DE -- Class I, 2007
Johnson, SD
Landrieu, LA
Lautenberg, NJ
Lieberman, CT
Menendez, NJ -- Class I, 2007
Nelson, FL -- Class I, 2007
Nelson, NE -- Class I, 2007
Pryor, AR
Rockefeller, WV
Salazar, CO
Stabenow, MI -- Class I, 2007

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Republican Senators
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1 Nay (Chafee, RI) -- Class I, 2007
1 Not Voting (Snowe, ME) -- Class I, 2007

53 Accessories After the Fact