Hillary says: incalculable damage done to country in last six years

[Herman Munster]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200609/POL20060929b.html

(CNSNews.com) - The upcoming mid-term election is important because the U.S. is "in a deep hole, and Republicans don't want to quit digging," Sen. Hillary Clinton told a gathering of Democratic women in Washington, D.C., on Thursday.

"I am just totally focused on this November's election, and I hope you are, too," the junior senator from New York told the Democratic National Committee Women's Leadership Forum. "I am fixated on taking back the House and the Senate" because "everything we care about is at stake." "The damage that has already been done to our country in the last six years is incalculable," she said.

"It's going to take an enormous amount of effort to begin to repair and restore American values and to reinstate the kind of shared commitment to common values and common ground that we desperately need," Clinton added. See Video "If we take back one, hopefully both houses of Congress, we will be in a position to prevent the Republicans and the administration from furthering their agenda," the senator noted.

"Everything that we care about is at stake," she said. "On any issue you can mention" -from energy independence to global climate change and the cost of health care - "we won't deal with it if we don't have Democrats in charge."

[mtnsnake]

1. The lady is truly on a roll.

She's genuinely upset at what's been going on and wants to do something about it.

[Tellurian]

23. KR..

:dem:

:kick:

[thereismore]

2. Hillary is OK. nt

[nancyr]

3. It's way past time for her to find a voice.

[Fridays Child]

4. And that goes for every Dem who has stayed quiet. What I have trouble...

...getting past is the fact that so many of us outside the beltway have known since 2001 that Bush would wreak irreparable harm upon the world, that his administration was a train wreck, that our system of government would end up on life support. How is it, then, that our representatives are so late in getting a clue?

The standard that I hold all of them to is that they either knew or should have known. Where have they been? Who have they been listening to? What have they been reading? With very few exceptions, our Democratic leaders have blown it so badly that I don't even know who to trust, anymore.

[Tellurian]

20. ...

:kick:

[Stephanie]

5. Why won't she renounce her war vote?

Why does she continue to support the occupation of Iraq? The Patriot Act? For once she's voted right on the torture bill, but she's shown no spine against Bush up till now. Yelling at Rummy that he isn't doing a very good job in Iraq, saying the war is mismanaged, the admin is incompetent, completely misses the point and intentionally misleads people into thinking she opposes it. She does not. She would just like them to bomb better, kill better. She wants her permaenent bases well established.

[mtnsnake]

11. What do you mean she's shown no spine against Bush??

She's been more critically vocal against Bush than just about any other of our major spokespeople. If all the other high profile Dems had her spine all along, we wouldn't be in the dilemma we're in today.

As far as "why won't she renounce her war vote", why won't the rest of the following senators who voted for it renounce it either:

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

[Rosco T.]

13. Point of order... Edwards HAS renounced his vote... n/m

[Stephanie]

14. Edwards has, and so has Kerry

She is vocal against Bush's METHODS, not his illegal, immoral war. His war is mismanaged, not going well. She won't say that it should never have happened in the first place. She will not say she regrets her part in it. She will not say she would have voted differently had she known then what she knows now.

[Tellurian]

24. !

GO HILLARY! :dem:

[oasis]

6. Putting "Democrats in charge". That's what we should be shooting for.

The whiners around here need to get with the program.

[Blackhatjack]

7. Where Has This Rhetoric Been For The Last 6 Years? And Why...

... does it take an impending midterm election for Democratic Leaders to find their voice?

Dems do have ideas. Dems will bring sanity back to government. But Dems cannot get elected by trying to appear as a "lite" version of Republican talking points.

Now that Dems seem to be finding their voices, it is time to ratchet up the unvarnished truth and give people a clear choice at the polls in November. If potential voters want what the Repubs are offering, being a "lite" version is not going to sway them.

People are searching for solutions, looking for a change, and a choice that is different from what they have had in the past. Let's give it to them.

[Arugula Latte]

10. My first thought was : "Yeah, with your help ..."

These toe-the-line Dems like Hillary who bend with the wind are a huge part of the problem. We've been screaming for years for them to stand up and fight back. They are supposed to represent us, not cave in to an extremist agenda.

[liberalmuse]

8. Wow. I'm starting to believe again.

I was so disillusioned with Hillary for the longest time, but lately she's been coming around. I guess this means she is probably going to run for President in 2006 and has realigned herself with her party's values. Good!

[mom cat]

9. I wish she would convince her friend Murdock of that, or all her new

friends at the Bilderburgs.

[blm]

12. Why did Bill STAND BY and SUPPORT Bush on almost ALL OF IT for 5 years?

Why did the two of you keep silent about the facts for TWO ELECTION CYCLES while the Democrats were labeled as WEAK ON TERROR BECAUSE CLINTON DID NOTHING FOR 8 YEARS to stop 9-11?

Bill should have defended himself when it would have done the MOST good and while Bush's approval was sky high.

NOW Bill defends himself when it will do the LEAST good? And Hillary stands up and acts like she's been opposing Bush all along.

What a crock.

[indepat]

15. Incalculable damage has been done to our country every time Hillary

and/or any Democrat voted for any part of the extreme RW PNAC fiscal madness, environmental destruction, or international catastrophe such as relegating to one man the authority to take this nation to elective war. EOS

[Jcrowley]

16. She has voted

for further military spending on every occasion. She voted for the war. I'm sure the children in Iraq are quite moved.

Judge by deeds not by words.

I will never support a pro-war candidate. Hillary is pro-war, the record is out there for all to see.

[CTD]

17. She's been complicit in the damaging

How she can say this stuff with a straight face after supporting this regime for most of the past six years amazes me. She has no integrity. No core beliefs. If she didn't sense the winds blowing more in the anti-Bush direction these days, she'd still be there cheering him on.

While she is not nearly as offensive as Holy Joe, she is definitely in the same category. And she'd never get my vote.

[ladjf]

18. And Hillary, you did nothing, NOTHING, to stop it. So you are a

bit too late to be making the statement now.

[demigoddess]

19. what I like about her is that if elected prez, i think she would go to

work on repealing and repairing all of this repub idiocy. Anyone else would just plow ahead to make his own 'legacy' but then also she seems to buy into this 'terrorists are dangerous and must be fought' mentality. Would love it if just one democrat would stand up and say something like, 'the best way we can make our country safe is stop telling the whole world what to do with their own countries. More cooperation and less coercion"

[NNN0LHI]

21. Hillary has been reading DU n/t

[Tellurian]

22. She also donated $1,000,000 to candidates campaigns

last week...so they can wipe that issue off the complaint board!

Timing is everything in Life..The time is now- and I think you will
see Hillary becoming more outspoken than ever before..

Bill has set the stage for her and opened the discussion for debate.

GO HILLARY! :dem:

:kick:

[TahitiNut]

27. The roster of Dems to whom she's given isn't what I'd call 'liberal'

OpenSecrets.org has tallied $227,500 donated as of July 31, 2006. Here're the names of the Senate candidates ...

Akaka, Daniel K (D-HI) $10,000
Brown, Sherrod (D-OH) $10,000
Byrd, Robert C (D-WV) $10,000
Carper, Tom (D-DE) $10,000
Carter, John William (D-NV) $10,000
Casey, Bob (D-PA) $10,000
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA) $10,000
Ford, Harold E Jr (D-TN) $10,000
Kennedy, Edward M (D-MA) $10,000
Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN) $10,000
Lieberman, Joe (I-CT) $10,000
Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) $10,000
Nelson, Bill (D-FL) $10,000
Pederson, Jim (D-AZ) $10,000
Radnofsky, Barbara Ann (D-TX) $5,000
Sanders, Bernie (I-VT) $10,000
Stabenow, Debbie (D-MI) $10,000
Webb, James (D-VA) $5,000
Whitehouse, Sheldon (D-RI) $10,000

Based on data released by the FEC on Monday, September 11, 2006. Figures in parentheses denote negative numbers, and may indicate returned contributions or bounced checks.

[Tellurian]

28. Thanks, Tahiti Nut

I don't have a current list of candidates Hillary has donated to,
seeing her $1,ooo,ooo donation went out just last week.

You might find this link an interesting read..

come back to me after you've finished..(I want your opine on this)

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/sep/29/the_star_chamber

[TahitiNut]

31. Newberry presents an interesting paradigm.

"... the present Democratic Party has ratified ... the mandate of the new government. Breaking the law and then making it legal ex-post facto is precisely the kind of formal violation which establishes the will of a new mandate coming into being. There is not only no going back to the Liberal Democracy, but America now lives in a post-Federal era. There is a national shadow government, and it is not bound by the limitations of the bill of rights."

This maps to the 'reality' we're seeing. The forces at work are the forces of ownership - an ownership interest that ignores boundaries and regards (local) government as mere hireling agencies which administer ownership (entitlement) interests. On an overpopulated globe, most human beings are now mere livestock to such interests. Whether used as consumers, producers, enforcers, or administrators in this political order, individual human life (and liberty interest) is now devalued proportionally to the increase from less than one to more than six billion on a shrinking globe being made less fit for habitation - even by the ownership class itself.

Those who persist in elevating individual human beings (and their liberty interest) above the now-diminished role of livestock and pests are regarded as the "enemy" to this extant paradigm of ownership. We've completed the migration of our consciousness from "fear of the unexplored and untamed" (frontier mentality) to "fear of the opponents within and rogue" even as primal and anachronistic instincts are exploited.

Since the Federal government already defines "terrorism" to include domestic acts of vandalism, and the NIE which has been partially declassified declares "leftists" and "anti-globalists" to be on the list of potential terrorists, this is not about catching the perpetrators of a series of terrorist attacks - embassy bombings, the attack on the USS Cole, 9/11, M-11 and 7/7 - but an unlimited and unchallengeable right to detain, try and punish anyone who is deemed (by the shadow powers) to be "an unlawful combatant".

However ...

As long as people are able to purchase the goods and services they need, as long as they are able to cash checks and carry on daily commerce, there is absolutely no chance of revolution, because revolution disrupts all of these things. People will drive forward, even knowing they are going the wrong way, rather than turn into a stopped off ramp. It is only when the highway becomes clogged to the point of immobility that they will consider leaving it.

And this is exactly where we're headed. However vaguely, the public recognizes this. It is recognized in the diminishing middle class, the worries over Social Security, the response to wholesale importation of cheap labor, the wholesale exportation of remunerative employment of skilled and intelligent labor, the corresponding 'dumbing down' of the education system (an excess of thinking people are a threat), the perversion of a health care system into a health profit system (only the 'owners' are fully-entitled to lives free of illness, pain, and disability - there is no 'right'), and the intentional deterioration of not only public infrastructure but of habitable housing (see the response to Katrina).

Since America has given unlimited power to those who promise that the dividends and treasury bonds will be paid, and that war will go on forever, the other promises will have to be revoked to pay for that. There is no other choice.

It was a nice Republic, pity we could not keep it.

Indeed.

[TahitiNut]

25. There's no question we'd be better off with Goldwater these days.

Even dead, he'd be better than the Fecal Fuhrer and his cabal of war criminals.

[Neshanic]

26. She's so funny. I LOVE that standup comedy she does.

[Tellurian]

29. I wish she would...

Although, we are going through bad times, I wish she would have a joke
or two, to break the ice before a speech.. You know, just to get comfortable.

[leesa]

30. Yes, and you have helped quite a lot.