Andrew Sullivan: They (GOP) have gone too far. Vote them out

[RobertSeattle]

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/09/tell_it_sister.html

This administration wants a fight; and we need to give it to them. They have bungled the war, trashed the constitution, wrecked the fiscal future, deeply damaged America's reputation, and profoundly corrupted conservatism as a coherent political philosophy. I don't care what we have to do to get rid of them, but we must by every peaceful, lawful means imaginable. They have gone too far. Vote them out.

[im10ashus]

1. Poor Andrew Sullivan.

Always one of the LAST people to "get it." At least he's waking up.

[Toots]

42. This week anyway,...give him a few days and he will once again be blaming

Liberals..... It is just how he is...

[meegbear]

2. FUCK YOU SULLY!

You were all gung-ho for this war and bitchslapped anyone who didn't support it. Screw you - and if I see you in PTown, I'll say it to your face.

[driver8]

5. I remember watching him on Bill Maher -- he was a big time Bush defender.

It's a little, too late, don't you think Sully??

Where were you when we needed you most?

[walldude]

10. I agree.. I notice lots of people "welcoming" him. FUCK THAT

How quickly they forget. Sullivan is a fucking asshole. He was always quick to blame the "left" the "far left" and he always made lame attempts to "embarass" the people who disagreed with him. Now he wants us to think he's changed his mind, I don't buy it, you don't go from Bush is the greatest president ever and liberals are just scum who are out to get Bush to "oh they're just criminals. Sorry asshole I can only be called names so many times before I punch your ticket. Fuck off Sullivan, we don't want you. Go join the Bruce Willis/Mel Gibson party of "whatever way the wind blows".
on edit: I also notice that all these people who are "switching sides" don't bother to apologize to the people they claimed were "crazed Bush haters".

[ronnykmarshall]

14. I'd like to see that!!

Does La Sullivan hang out in P-Town much?

[meegbear]

15. He's usually there in the summer ...

I was there for Bear Week for a couple days but didn't see him. I'm waiting for my SpookyBear package I won, so I'll be there Halloween weekend.

[AX10]

3. For today he understands the problem. I don't know what he will...

be thinking tomorrow. Will he still fall for McCain's "maverick" act or will he truely realize that McCain is a petty opportunist who sold us out in return for a chance to be the President (God Forbid)?

Time will tell.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

4. I love it when I hear, "If only we knew then what we know now"

WE DID KNOW!!!!!

[mom cat]

6. Rec #5.: for brevity and being to the point!

[Jack Rabbit]

7. Welcome to our side of the barricades, Mr. Sullivan

There is more joy in Heaven over one repentant sinner than over a thousand saints.

[fooj]

11. Wise words, Jack Rabbit.

Welcome, Mr. Sullivan. Now, help us fight these treasonous, rat bastards!

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Oh, yes, that, too

EDITED for typing

My sinners/saints remark is directed more that those who don't seem to think we need his help in this struggle.

We aren't just talking about impeaching Bush, but about regime change and purging the yuppie fascist culture that inflicts the body politic. We will need all the help we can get.

If we do not try to define the goal too broadly and accept help from all willing, we will succeed.

[symbolman]

21. More people need to realize this

at this point in history we need to ORGANIZE the TRUE Conservatives and REAL Republicans, and I know plenty I'd have a beer with who I'm sure are finally horrified..

You don't think they'd LOVE to see Bush dragged into the Hague for war crimes after he's SCREWED THEM TOO?

Let's not be too harsh on them, except for LIEberman who's a goddam puppet and can suck my FOLEY :)

Good call Jack Rabbit. The Rabbit is Good, the Rabbit is Wise.

[fooj]

26. BWAHAHAHAHA!

"Suck my Foley"...:toast: Good one, Symbolman!

[symbolman]

28. Lol, pass it around

maybe it should join the lexicon here, as in telling Sullivan to "go Cheney Himself" :)

I was on the Scarborough show with Foley and American Stranger from the DU when Takebackthemedia.com was boycotting Limbaugh, we're looking for the footage now to post on the DU, lost somewhere in lost Password Land ;)

I KNEW THEN about Foley, I was told by a Lobbyist pal of my wife who had a guy train me to go on the O'Reilly show, he knew ALL ABOUT FOLEY, they all did in Washington THREE YEARS AGO, and now we're just finding out? Think about all the things we don't know, eh?

[americanstranger]

40. I've got the tape!

Upstairs in my office...

All I remember about Foley was he had that dopey grin plastered across his face, even when Sym was thrashing him verbally.

I knew something was weird with the guy at that point, and I heard rumors from people who lived in the WPB area. What we don't know, indeed.

- as

[symbolman]

41. You were doing some fine lambasting yourself

I watched it again tonight, I found the AVI file I had on an older hard drive, thought I'd turn it into Windows WMV for those who wanted to watch it, but not until Monday or so, leaving for the Big Island that day as well so..

That was fun, we'll have to do it again some day, remember, that Scarborough (may have killed his lover), is inviting a BOY LICKER on his show, to Protect a Draft Dodging Chickenhawk Drug Addict, who called VETERANS and Normal folks against the "War" COMMIES..

Does it get any stranger than that? There's the whole damn Republican Family Morals and Values team right there. MURDER, PERVERT, DRUG ADDICT all in one neat package.

We should have taken very hot showers after appearing on that show :)

I'll try to post it Sunday night my time, which would be 6am or later your time so folks can enjoy us getting our shots in, remember Joe the Scar DID threaten to shut off our mikes :)

[lildreamer316]

36. Better late than never.

We are all Americans.

[LSK]

8. whats his next warning going to be? dont smoke?

Jumping off cliffs is bad for you???

Thanks for the warning.

[RethugAssKicker]

9. WE TOLD YOU SO... You fucking MORON !.... but at least

you're beginning to see the light.... you day old vampire!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. Fellow Republicans tend to listen to these people though.....

THAT'S how wavering Repubs are won over.

[quiet.american]

13. Hmn. Good point. n/t

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

16. Dear Mr. Sullivan,

We told you so.
Your "conservatism" is responsible for this.
Now fuck off.

Sincerely,
HKC

[marions ghost]

18. OK well

maybe Andrew Sullivan can get through to others of his ilk who previously supported Bushco--gives them a wake-up call to get off the bandwagon if they have any conscience and integrity left.

Maybe he really means it, but what a pathetic flip-flopper :puke:

[hatrack]

19. Fuck you, Bareback Andy

They were your crowd, and you stuck with them until the going got sticky, and now you've "seen the light".

And guess what - we don't care.

Fuck off.

[Ksec]

20. Ohio Repukes agree

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=afqYCk6NSqKc&refer=politics

Big loss in volunteers and shit.

[carolinayellowdog]

22. "Fifth columnists" in their "coastal enclaves"

that's what I will always remember, and never forgive, about Sullivan, at least until he apologizes. In the worst week of our history as a nation, he was among the first to point the finger at ALL LIBERALS and declare us terrorist supporters. God forgive me, but I can never stop hating him for that. At least until he admits what a horrendously EVIL thing it was to say.

[carolinayellowdog]

23. PS-- plus he has specifically demonized DU

apparently trolling here for material he could use to trash all liberals

[BlackVelvet04]

24. So, we fight, argue and even pray for people to see the light

and then when they do we say fuck you to them?

That's rather counterproductive.

We need EVERYONE we can get to see the light and fight the fight. We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing just those we find personally acceptable.

[hatrack]

29. Yes, we do. Andy Sullivan is a magnet for maggots and a waste of air

You go welcome him to the fold.

I don't like it when people spit in my face, question my patriotism and then (once the war is irremediably lost and the Constitution is jammed up George W. Bush's ass) whine and squeal that they were "deceived".

But if that's your thing, go to it. Greet him with flowers, Cuban cigars and fine Kentucky bourbon.

[devilgrrl]

25. "...conservatism as a coherent political philosophy"

keep dreaming.

[glitch]

27. Kinda cute, huh? He'll be back on board when a stronger, more manly

charismatic leader comes along. One who doesn't fuck up wars of aggression.

[SharonAnn]

45. Conservatism is just a way to try to rationalize greed and privilege.

John Stuart Mill, “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”


FDR "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."

It was Herbert Hoover who said: "You know, the only trouble with capitalism is capitalists. They're too damn greedy."

[Raksha]

30. In the immortal words of Bob Dylan...

You've got a lot of nerve
To say you are my friend,
When I was down you just stood there grinning.
You've got a lot of nerve
To say you've got a helping hand to lend,
You just want to be on the side that's winning.

That's from memory, so the punctuation may not be the same as some other versions. The song is "Positively Fourth Street."

[tinfoilinfor2005]

31. One of my favorites. I sometimes wonder who he was writing about??

[Raksha]

39. I have no idea who it was, but the song is clearly about his interactions

with a wannabe or a passive-agressive type individual. I have no doubt at all that it's based on a real experience. It just has the ring of truth to it somehow.

[Orsino]

32. What do you mean "we," Sully?

I admire the (belated) tough talk, but you need to be praying instead of typing. Even if the House and Senate go blue this cycle, "we" will have decades of clean-up before us, as you will have decades of atonement. This is the government you lied into office.

"They have gone too far"? No, they shouldn't have been able to take the country even one step in their brutal direction. Every single neocon philosophy you pimped has proven dangerous. Now is not a time to pretend that a line somewhere has suddenly been crossed. For you, it's time for some sober reflection and a completely new political philosophy. When you figure it out, you'll find us there.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

33. "Vote them Out."

hahahah!!! in the last 2 years of the Bush presidency! Oh man. wow. that's rich. he just now fucking noticed!????

And "corrupted conservatism" even!!!! HOLY SHIT HE'S A GODDAMN COMEDIAN!

FUCK YOU Sully. And no this isn't a fuck you to every rightwinger who's seen the light. Whatever. This fuck you is specifically tailored to a shilling rat who now, at this late hour, jumps ship. Fuck you Sullivan, cause I know you read DU!

[Marr]

34. Forgive me if I don't applaud a man for finally

recognizing reality after arguing against it for 6 years.

Welcome to the world, dipshit. Help out if you can.

[lolly]

35. A little late?

Like, 3,000 dead American soldiers and 10's of 1000's of Iraqis too late.

[TheWatcher]

37. Fuck You Sullivan.

It's not that easy. You don't get to come over to the side of the righteous that easily.

In fact, you don't get to come over here AT ALL.

It's too little, too late.

You weren't willing to fight when your country needed you. You weren't brave enough to STAND UP AND BE HEARD when it counted.

On the contrary my Friend.

YOU were an enabler. YOU were a supporter. YOU were a mouthpiece for THEM. You were AGAINST those who knew, who were screaming desperately to be heard, to be counted, but YOU shouted them down.

YOU betrayed your country.

Fuck You. You are like one of the Nazis who tried to slip into the countryside and avoid arrest.

YOU wanted to be on THEIR ship.

Now be a good little fascist enabler-

AND YOU GO DOWN WITH IT.


I'm sorry, I'm not ready to forgive, or play nice.

Once a cockroach, always a cockroach. I'm not buying the "enlightenment".

[gatorboy]

38. If he thought they went too far then.

I wonder what he thinks about Republican Congressmen protecting Foley for almost a year?

[LynnTheDem]

43. Jesus would forgive and welcome Sully.

"Compassionate" conservatives would not, were it t'other way round.

I'd much rather try to fit Jesus' footsteps and be the liberal I try to be, than follow the "compassionate" MFing rightwingnuts, so...

Welcome to reality, Sully. For however long it may last.

[terrya]

44. I'm been pissed off at Andrew Sullivan, but...

this is a virtual sea change for him. If even this Bush apologist finally gets it, then that says something about the perception and the thinking about the criminal regime in the White House.

Good for Andrew Sullivan for finally seeing the light.