The October Surprise is a done deal. Please read.

[BuyingThyme]

We have a new Bob Woodward book and a new Al Qaeda tape.

And, what do you know: They both hit the CM on the same day.

And, what do you know: They both say the exact same thing.

The touted theme of both publications is, “Your president is lying to you about Iraq!”

Good for us? Hell no.

Here’s how it works:

First, Bob Woodward tells a truth.
Second, Dems start echoing that truth and get huge media attention.
Third, “Al Qaeda” conveniently echoes that truth to similar media attention.
Fourth, Pukes accuse Dems of echoing Al Qaeda.

This is a win-win for the Pukes. If the Dems don’t speak up, they surrender their most powerful tool (Iraq). But if they do speak up, they are Al Qaeda. Simple strategy. Subtle, but brutal beyond comprehension.

Bush seemed to open the door to this strategy yesterday. I don’t have the quote handy.

Now, most of you know Bob Woodward has been working the crowd for Bush. And perhaps a large number of you have figured out that there’s something fishy about the timing of all of the Al Qaeda tapes. All I’m asking you to do is put the two together. Is it really so far fetched?

Woodward can help Bush by attacking him. And, at the same time, he looks like he’s still that hard-hitting reporter whom Americans remember from that Watergate thing. Just the facts and nothing but the facts. What integrity! What a standup guy!

At around 3PM eastern, I saw CNN bang the hell out of the new Bob Woodward book. It said Bush was lying about Iraq. Guess what happened immediately after that. Boom! New Al Qaeda tape. It said Bush was lying about Iraq. I suspect there are more tapes to come.

I have no fucking idea how to counter this strategy, but please, just a few of you, humor me and tell me you get it. It might get me to shut the fuck up for a while.

Journalist Woodward's New Book Shows Bleak Outlook for Iraq:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216597,00.html

Al Qaeda No. 2: Bush a liar, 'spiller of Muslim blood':
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/29/zawahiri.tape/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Democrats gleefully seize on Woodward book:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15063982/

[Avalux]

1. I get it.

I didn't throw Woodward into the mix, but this is my post from earlier. You're not the only one thinking this way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2258962&mesg_id=2258991

[EFerrari]

2. I get it. And the counter is distance.

"I'm sorry this is happening" Not, "We told you so."

[MadMaddie]

3. I get it it .....The American public is stupid if they haven't

figured out that a tape comes out everytime something bad happens to this administration...

[tom_paine]

19. The American Public has been shit-scared into Stockholm Syndrome

And for most of them, recognizing what they had done, what they had allowed to happen, israpidly becoming as big a self condemnation as the Germans who supported the Nazis in the 30s.

That buys a kind of denial most people cannot fathom.

How awful to realize what you'd done after all the torture, murder and lies. Most people don't have the self-awareness to do that, to even recognie the wave of denial for what it is.

Self-protection by the ego, the id.

And like those Germans, they are going to ride this thing to the bitter, corrupt, murderous end rather than wake to what THEY are responsible for (and us, too, even those at DU, carry our share for the responsibility).

[tfrancell]

4. Sorry, what does "...the CM..." stand for?

I don't know that one.

[BuyingThyme]

8. Corporate Media.

Welcome to DU!

[tfrancell]

16. Oh, O.K.

Thanks.:hi:

[xxqqqzme]

13. I don't know either but I'm guessing

corporate media.

[cspanlovr]

5. They have this game down. We have to be smarter!

[ShortnFiery]

11. Yeah but Paranoia and freaking out - IMO spreading disinformation

is not the way to go.

Whatever we do, it's NOT, I repeat NOT a time to be silent.

No, no more PARANOIA - speak out!

This is for our Civil Liberties and I will NOT lie down. :grr:

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. I see your point and agree. The question is how to counter it

with an incurious, "bought" media and an ignorant, largely comfortable public. Now THAT is a challenging Rubic's cube to solve. Sorry, no answers for you. Just a big headache.

[orpupilofnature57]

7. I bet he's in the center of every Friendly Fascist dartboard in America!

Thanks Bob for doing your job ,informing the people.

[Kikosexy2]

9. Interesting...

and you have something there....but this just might be the tip of the iceberg..but I'm sure there are more Oct. surprises to come...It's only Sept. 29th...Rove is ready to reach into his bag of tricks....Nuke Iran anyone??

[kimmerspixelated]

21. Exactly...

Or something horrendous here that makes Bush want to start bombing Iran. It makes me shiver to think what could be in their ruthless bag of tricks!

[AX10]

10. Rove will be bringing out his dirty GOP tricks from now until...

November 7th.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Then let's get in the mud and FIGHT ?!? n/t

[DemInDistress]

14. why did the mullah come forward and not Osama?

I don't know what to make of this new double whammy..woodward and mullah but the GOP's are scared for their
power. The mood of the country is angry and cheap gas won't bring the masses out for the GOP.

Look at health care costs..
deficits
deaths in Iraq military stretched thin.
torture
wiretapping Americans
and much more ..

[Up2Late]

22. Because Osoma's bin dead for years, and the other two work for KKKarl.

If you want to buy a DVD of the new speech, you can probably buy a copy for $39.99 at this U.S. Government Contractor site by now: <http://www.intelcenter.com/audio-video/qaeda.html>

They usually have the videos on there site and ready for sale the same day as it hits "terrorist websites." Funny, huh?

[DemInDistress]

23. buy a copy of bullshit from mullah and rover for 40 bucks

surely you jest? thanks for the input though..

:hi:

[Ksec]

15. So if two people say the same thing that makes them brothers?

Only a Repub could dream up such ridiculous things.

The country is smart enough to see the ridiculousness of that.

[BuyingThyme]

29. Yes, America as a whole might be able to see it, but that doesn't matter.

All they need is those little House races in little Macacavilles all over the country. The level of discourse out there is far more ridiculous than this.

[liberalla]

48. Why can't we just turn the tables and point out how

Al Qaeda is agreeing with Woodward? Al Qaeda and Woodward are supporting each other.

How very interesting that Al Qaeda and Woodward are on the same page, of the same mind, etc.

I also think the comment below by Nikki Stone is good; use other sources to support our points.

[Nikki Stone 1]

17. Dems should ignore the book and talk about info from other sources

Even during Watergate, Woodward was just a tool.

[xxqqqzme]

18. agree - told a friend just yesterday

It's about time for a tape from osama elections getting close.

[tom_paine]

20. Probably the first of many such Bush-Bin Laden Campaign Tapes

I sometimes wonder if Bin Laden isn't sipping mai-tais in the bunker which is undoubtedly beneath the Phony Ranch at Crawford.

[emalejim9]

24. It is time for a Dem to point out the obvious

A simple slip of the tongue implying the coincidence but not directly stating that AQ communication link pipes through the WH will do it.

[KittyWampus]

25. So our Intelligence Services are in League with Al Qaeda? Cause the NIE

report said the same thing.

[SmokingJacket]

26. If the truth is coming out, make sure it's from a distrusted mouth.

That's an old, old tactic of theirs: If you can't disprove it, you can at least dismiss the messenger.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. The same bullshit can't work indefinitely.

Notice how they've dropped the "color coded" alerts?

I don't think having "Bush lied" in the press all day is a bad thing.

[Beetwasher]

28. Don't Have To Counter It, It's A Stupid Strategy If True

No one care's that AQ also says we're losing Iraq. Conventional Wisdom IS we're losing Iraq. No one will care that AQ says the same thing and it ain't gonna change their minds at this point.

They will go down in flames if this is their strategy.

[BuyingThyme]

30. It only has to work on the local level.

Think about he ads they can run.

[Beetwasher]

32. Nope, These Tapes Make People Yawn Nowadays

Gee, another AQ tape? *yawn* No one pays attention or cares anymore.

[BuyingThyme]

38. I've seen how this stuff works in yokel communities.

You run a clip of Doctor Al Qaeda before a clip of Joe Dem, and they both feature the same caption, the same quote.

[Quixote1818]

47. I agree with you 100% nt

[many a good man]

31. Rove makes a turd blossom into a pretty flower

The only thing surprising is how he nearly ALWAYS gets away with it.

[Orsino]

33. That's not an October Surprise.

That's just business as usual for the neocons, mere damage control, and I don't believe that it will significantly tilt the coming elections.

[BuyingThyme]

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[sufrommich]

35. So let me get this strait..

If the MSM fails to report the boondoggle that is the Bush administration,it is doing the bidding of Karl Rove.When the MSM does report the boondoggle that is the Bush administration,it is doing the bidding of Karl Rove.Maybe we should all just crawl in a hole and die.:crazy:

[sandnsea]

36. The media, Democrats and al qaeda - known enemies

of freedom loving Americans. Yes, they do love that strategy.

Now we've got something explosive - Powell was FIRED!!! Just on MSNBC.

[BuyingThyme]

37. So, I'm going to have to watch TV again?

[sandnsea]

39. Well I don't know

It was just a blip, no further info. I hope hope hope Bush fired Powell. The mainstream still think he's a great guy, people will be flummoxed that Bush chose Rummy over Powell. It was in the Woodward book, I think.

[BuyingThyme]

40. Here's Powell's supposed words of resignation:

...now that the election is over the time has come for me to step down as secretary of state and return to private life. I, therefore, resign as the 65th secretary of state, effective at your pleasure.

"That didn't happen," the senior official said. But the official also said Powell "never asked to stay and was never asked to leave."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html

[sandnsea]

41. This is today

Not what was said at the time. I don't have any more than that one blip a few minutes ago - will let you know if they repeat it. New info, apparently.

[gully]

42. They've done this before. The way to counter it is "if the shoe fits."

Truth is truth. Does'nt mean we share the ALQ agenda.

[LunaC]

43. Stay on point ---> BUSH* IS LYING!

BUSH* IS LYING!....BUSH* IS LYING!....BUSH* IS LYING!

Repeat it over and over and over again until it's emblazoned into the public's psyche. Keep hammering BUSH* IS LYING!....BUSH* IS LYING!....BUSH* IS LYING! and the public won't believe a damn thing he says.

[BuyingThyme]

44. BUSH* IS LYING!

[Imagevision]

45. Whatever, - run with Folie and ethics commitee findings thru election day

CNN will be focusing on Rumsfeld war decisions and blunders -- Woodward will be on Larry King singing his song. FOXnews seems to be obsessing playing down Woodward book accusations.

[Quixote1818]

46. Dem's still come out way ahead on this

Of course the enemy is going to attack Bush and just because Woodward's book says the same thing they are saying, doesn't mean it's not the truth. It basically means Bush is so BAD even the enemy's criticism of him is true. I think most people with common sense will "get it".

[helderheid]

49. I get it. Same thing when OBL said he supported Kerry.

[Leopolds Ghost]

50. I'm not about to say the tapes aren't authentic. But WE ARE BEING PLAYED.

By someone. Not sure who.

A group whose only wish was for us to die 6 years ago does not suddenly turn around tand start caring about President Bush being bad for democracy. Either Al Qaeda is playing us to the advantage of right wingers in hopes of starting WWIII, or the tapes are being faked. It's that simple.

Here's what I had to say, as an aside, yesterday while listening to the radio talk about how the word "Homeland" was coined by the Germans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2260842

[Imagevision]

51. Folie is Dems october surprise, even Rove shittin in his pants!

[Pale Blue Dot]

52. Yes, Yes... and Foley is a Rovian plot too.

I think Rove's major accomplishment is making Democrats afraid to do anything for fear that they're playing into a Rovian plot.

Not every piece of good news is actually bad news for us. :eyes:

[Clarkie1]

53. The American people are not stupid. That I get.

Some have been fooled once; they won't be fooled again.