There have been rumors on the Internets

[ck4829]

That several Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government have begun to rebel against the Bush Administration. Two of the groups that are believed to be in this rebellion are the State Department and a part of the CIA.

So, my question is this:

What are WE doing to help this rebellion become strong?

[babylonsister]

1. Keep on keeping on. We're doing it. And more important,

the * admin deserves any wrath they get and are and have been providing the fodder.
I haven't heard the rumors. Do tell!

[ck4829]

8. Here's some links (RW sites are included)

The CIA is going against Bush:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/10/wbush10.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/10/ixnewstop.html
http://www.theurbangrindblog.com/?p=637 (RW site)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1619889/posts

The State Department is going against Bush:

http://www.americanheritage.com/blog/20069_17_451.shtml (RW site)
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/18/145209.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/18/175249.shtml

[razors edge]

2. pay taxes and vote?

or can I break out my AK now?

:sarcasm:

[tblue]

3. Where did you hear what exactly?

I know there are military leaders who have had it up to here.

[acmavm]

4. And you've seen these rumors where? Here?

[babylonsister]

10. Post #8?

[BanzaiBonnie]

5. What can we do to help?

I believe there are also factions within the military that are ready to help upset the apple cart.

This America is crazy. Some are beginning to open their eyes.

[jwirr]

11. The passage of this intelligence law should wake many of them

up. Habeas Corpus, etc. is what we have fought to protect in very war since the signing of the Magna Carta. What do we have left to fight for if that and other rights are taken away. Most agencies in the government are run by *ss appointees but the core workers have long known that we are in dangerous waters.

[johnnyrocket]

6. It's about fucking time! Welcome to the world of reality State and CIA.

[lonestarnot]

7. Join the CIA.

LOL Get a job at the State Department.

[kestrel91316]

15. My niece has been accepted for a State Dept internship in the spring.

She might be in Paris. It could get very interesting.

[lonestarnot]

18. Oh boy! CIA is recruiting also.

[dmr]

26. I saw a recruitment ad for the CIA on TV last week n/t

[catzies]

29. Wans't that just the creepiest, surrealest thing???? I saw it too and I

watch very little TV, mostly Comedy Central and Cartoon Network!

It made me :wow:

[havocmom]

9. We raise the level of public awareness - job one for DU

The good spooks and military officers who know an illegal order when they hear one move carefully. As more people learn the crimes of the junta, more info can be poured out to them.

There is a critical mass point. It is coming.

Go back to the inflamed rhetoric bush used lobbying for his get out of the Hague card legislation: He mentioned the need for "clarity" and went on about 'the young intelligence officer who needs that clarity'.

Buzzer went off in my head: There have been refusals to follow illegal orders! The whiny frat brat chicken hawk was not just looking for a get out of the Hague card, he wanted a stick to beat back a mutiny!

The not so civil war is raging in the US. It is starting to be noticeable.

There are many in public service who actually take it seriously, who take oaths to heart, who do it all in service to the Constitution. They are present in all agencies, known and not so known. They are fucking sick and tired of junta appointed department heads who got their jobs based on party loyalty and not on any skill, knowledge, experience. They do not serve the country, they serve Cheney's junta. The good guys are working against such department heads and working FOR America.

We have to back them up by making sure John Q. Public gets it and gets damned pissed about it all. We back them up by getting the truth out in such overwhelming waves the public is rocked from their comfortable delusions that 'somebody is taking care of it all and I can watch Desperate Housewives'.

We back them up by going down the paths they blaze and get others to see beyond the illusions.

The chess game is getting interesting. Cheney is in trouble and worried. You can tell by how hard they are making the puppet work of late.

[lonestarnot]

20. Teehee! The mechanical heart may spring a leak and the

puppet break a string. :applause:

[earth mom]

25. This post is deserving of it's own thread. eom

[havocmom]

28. OK, but it will sink like a rock

Can I ask for help kicking it if I post as an OP?

[earth mom]

31. Of course I'll kick it! Let me know when!

:hi:

[havocmom]

32. It's up,,, and sinking. Sent you a PM

thanks

edited to add:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2267522#2267807

[countmyvote4real]

12. October 5th. WCW.

http://www.worldcantwait.net/

Anybody can do it, too, if they are motivated. I am a free-lancer and can't afford to alienate my employer, but I can get my work done and still show up locally for the cameras. (And I will not be in my most radical attire.)

[Mr_Spock]

13. It was suggested today that the military might refuse to attack Iran

After thinking about this, it is not completely beyond the realm of possibility - though very unlikely.

Can you imagine if something like this were to occur?

[chill_wind]

16. Mutiny on the Eisenhower? Can't picture it.

Would make a Hell of a movie, though! :-)

"As reports circulate of a sharp debate within the White House over possible US military action against Iran and its nuclear enrichment facilities, The Nation has learned that the Bush Administration and the Pentagon have issued orders for a major "strike group" of ships, including the nuclear aircraft carrier Eisenhower as well as a cruiser, destroyer, frigate, submarine escort and supply ship, to head for the Persian Gulf, just off Iran's western coast. This information follows a report in the current issue of Time magazine, both online and in print, that a group of ships capable of mining harbors has received orders to be ready to sail for the Persian Gulf by October 1."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061009/lindorff
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=taxonomy/term/51

[lonestarnot]

21. Stranger things have happened.

[chill_wind]

14. Which CIA? The one that just got Bush and Congress to immunize them

less than 24 hrs ago against potential prosecutions for war crimes-- and just saved them a whole lot of money on their torture insurance?

[kestrel91316]

17. Maybe Bush is trying to buy back CIA's loyalty post-Plame.......

but maybe, just maybe, they can't be bought and the joke's on him.

[havocmom]

22. Not all in CIA happy about torture

Believe me. Not all happy about a lot of illegal orders.

Remember, bush spoke about young intel officers who 'needed clarity'. Trust me. Somebody said 'No, sir, I will not execute that illegal order.'

bush wants more than insurance for himself, he wants a stick to beat the CIA with. That legislation was not to protect the CIA but to coerce them into following the junta's orders.

[chill_wind]

23. Points all taken. I just don't think the disaffected ones are anywhere

in control in Bush's carefully handpicked junta after all the shakeups and purges.

[havocmom]

27. Not in position to control, but in position to do much damage

Notice how, in the past 12 months, bad news for the junta keeps coming, faster and more at once?

There has been a chess game afoot. Knights and bishops moving in on kings and Queens.

Where's Cheney? Hiding, tearing what's left of his hair out and working very hard on the methods by which he must steal the coming election. Stampede one's opponent into a rushed panic and they are bound to miss an important detail or two. The chess game is still on, the knights and and bishops are still in play.

[hootinholler]

24. Remember there are patriots and chickenhawks co-mingled in all depts.

Yes a big piece of the CIA is really really really pissed off at the chickenhawk crowd. Same at State.

Many of the other Depts. are pissed as well having been defunded. I'm wondering how many in the FBI and Justice are biding time until the opportune moment.

-Hoot

[bigbrother05]

19. K&R

[dkofos]

30. Show them how to hack voting machines (for us)