Howard Dean bummed me out today.

[babylonsister]

Any Dem who mentions that dimson hasn't caught and killed OBL is silly. So, when he's possibly caught and killed, what happens next? That should not be our focus or intent, the war in Iraq should be where it's at, the faux reasons for being there, and the means to get out.
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[TomInTib]

1. He disappoints me at every turn...

if Howie is the best we have to offer, it will continue to be an uphill struggle.

Hell, I would rather have Al Franken.

Or Lenny Bruce.

Or me.

[madfloridian]

3. Contact the DNC members, tell him how bad he is and fire his butt.

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[madfloridian]

2. Bummer, he is really bad. He should resign at once.

I mean no one should talk like this. Just because mentioning Bin Laden makes Bush and Cheney see red...he really should not do it.

Let's fire him if he doesn't resign.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/29/cnr.02.html

"COLLINS: Howard Dean is the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He joins us now from Washington with reaction to the president's speech.

Thanks for being here, sir.

Let me ask you, do you agree with this?

HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIRMAN: Well, it would be hard to disagree with that. Of course we believe in moderate governments and we want peace and democracy. The problem is that this administration and the Republican Party in general has not been truthful about what's going on.

COLLINS: How so?

DEAN: Well, the -- as you know, the national intelligence estimate, which is the 16 major intelligence agencies in the United States government, came out last week with a report that said Iraq -- the Iraq war has made terrorism worse around the country. First the president tried to deny it, then they leaked their own version of it. The truth is, the president has never been truthfully about Iraq, not to get in, and he's not being truthfully about it now.

We need to be tough and smart in the fight against terrorism. And going into Iraq was not very smart. You can't just talk tough at election time.

I saw the president the other day, same old tired rhetoric, Democrats want to cut and run. No. What we want to do is defend America by being tough, not just at election time, by being smart. We need to win...

COLLINS: OK. Tell me, Chairman Dean, exactly how do you do that?

DEAN: Well, the first thing is we need to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. The president has been talking about Osama bin Laden. He's been there for five years. He's still plotting against Americans.

The second thing is we need help in Afghanistan. That's a war that I think...

COLLINS: But forgive me, Chairman. If I may go back to that, what is the plan for the Democrats to capture and kill Osama bin Laden? How is it different from what Republicans are doing?

DEAN: Well, many Democrats have already said that we need more troops in Afghanistan. I think that's absolutely true.

Secondly, we need to deal with Iran and we need to deal with North Korea. Well, this president has been president for six years, telling us how much more stronger Republicans are on defense than we are. The fact of the matter is, he identified three countries as the axis of evil. Two of them are about to become or either are or about to become nuclear powers.

"And, as Bob Woodward pointed out in his book that just came out this week, apparently the commanders in Iraq asked for more troops a long time ago and the president ignored them. You can't fight a war if you ignore the military. And the president has never listened to the military.

Right from the beginning the military said you can't do this in Iraq without the proper number of troops, and we need more. They ignored it. And one general, General Shinseki, was essentially fired for saying it".

If he doesn't quit bumming us out right away, fire his butt.

[babylonsister]

5. I can do that, too, from your post:

"DEAN: Well, the first thing is we need to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. The president has been talking about Osama bin Laden. He's been there for five years. He's still plotting against Americans."

My comment is about what Dean might say or do if/when OBL is captured or killed. I don't want him to pin his 'campaign' on OBL being in the mix. There's enough other stuff to concentrate on.

[madfloridian]

6. Then forget all the other things he has said and done.

If you are not aware, many are. They are going to crucify Kerry and Dean...at least those two. It would better to stand together.

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[johnaries]

7. Iraq is the reason we haven't caught bin Laden. Dean is reminding

us.

Why haven't we caught or killed bin Laden? Because Republicans focused on Iraq.

[madfloridian]

8. Never mind defending him anymore.

Won't matter at DU. Minds are made up. People are angry because their candidates are having moves made on them by the other part of the party.

I have tried to be supportive, but to hell with that.

[Ravy]

9. I don't think it is stupid to mention that at all.

I think *most* Democrats support the efforts in Afghanistan, and wish they had not been (for the most part) dropped for the Iraq debacle.