JUST RELEASED: Woodward's Sunday Washington Post A1-Story : THEY LIED!

[kpete]

STATE OF DENIAL

By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 1, 2006; Page A01

The short of it? They lied. Period. What Woodward shows in detail is that they knew things were bad and said the opposite to the American public. They lied.

What's also clear is that they all knew. Rumsfeld knew in intricate detail. Condi knew about the true reality on the ground in Iraq - and it's stark:

On Feb. 10, 2005, two weeks after Rice became secretary of state, Zelikow presented her with a 15-page, single-spaced secret memo. "At this point Iraq remains a failed state shadowed by constant violence and undergoing revolutionary political change," Zelikow wrote.

The insurgency was "being contained militarily," but it was "quite active," leaving Iraqi civilians feeling "very insecure," Zelikow said.

U.S. officials seemed locked down in the fortified Green Zone. "Mobility of coalition officials is extremely limited, and productive government activity is constrained."

It's as clear as "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US". They know exactly what's going on and every time they stand up in public it's the opposite of reality that comes out of their mouths. Read it all here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000293.html?nav=rss_print/asection
via:http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/just-released-woodwards-sunday.html

[qanda]

1. Lying is what they do best.

They have made a sport of it and they are very, very good.

[C_U_L8R]

It's not so much that they lie best

Republicans just can't stop themselves from lying.

The lies themselves are pretty bad.

[filer]

5. I am totally shocked!

Do you mean they've been feeding us "propaganda"?

[exlrrp]

57. I'm shocked, SHOCKED also!

You....you.....mean theyve been lying to us all along?
"Who would have thought it?" (Condi Rice, 9/12/01)

[elehhhhna]

63. Bush gave Condi a Family Crest:

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/32741687/1277554

[elehhhhna]

64. Bush gave Condi a Family Crest:

[elehhhhna]

62. Yep. They 've been catapulting it. Welcome to DU!

[peacetalksforall]

15. Remember, the game comes first, lying is a part of it.

The game is dis-reality. Remember the quote from the book by Suskind - they are purposely conducting a program of changing our reality.

Lying is just a tool - here is one of their main ways of conducting dis-reality - the President delivers the lie most of the time. Within hours after or preceding his lie, a protege or two says the exact opposite - the truth. And they arrange to have the corporate networks work it the way they need it. A lot of it is for their voting base - the lemmings and others - their great nuisance is keeping the lemmings fed and satisfied, but it can slow them down. (They have many dis-realties to juggle).

He says we will never bomb Iran and we choose to negotiate while the military has been preparing to bomb Iran for xx years. Bolton and Rice working hard to position the bombing. While Cheney continues to trade and deal with Iran on the purchase of weapons.

George says Palestinians have to co-exist with Israel. In the meantime the U.S. gets Israel to take out Lebanon.

The lie is a tool. The truth is the agenda. Under this scenario of dis-reality.

ps - Suskind did not call it 'dis-reality' - the word is my short-cut.

[Tellurian]

31. Cheney, Bush and Ilk go on with their daily lives because..

There never was an altruistic plan to bring democracy to Iraq.
There was however a "shadow plan" to shred our Constitution and
abolish our God given Rights conferred in OUR Democracy.

Iraq is the cover for their real plans of turning our democracy
into a Federalist State. The final nail went in this last Friday.

The new Bill abrogating our our Constitutional Rights has been
abolished and superseded by the new Constitution Amendment that
in of itself, supersedes our IV, V, VI, VII, and VIII Amendments.

The only component lacking is Bush's signature, to complete the "coup."

[Scout1071]

2. These assholes knew this in 2004 and I consider them complicate

in subverting our Democracy for the last 6 years.

And now Bob wants to act like he just figured it out?

[driver8]

29. Bob is as guilty as they are. It sounds like he knows a shit storm is

brewing and he is trying to cover his ass.

"Hey, look! I knew what they were up to and I told you! That let's me off the hook, doesn't it? Huh? Doesn't it? "

[zonkers]

32. Bob helped sell the lie.

[elehhhhna]

50. NO SHIT! HE's known all along & SAT on it for hos book. What an ass.

to the hague with all of them.

[tblue]

51. Yeah, what a ho-bag Woodward turned out to be

He coulda gone down as one of the great ones.

But I hope this is a sign that the worm is really turning because I don't know how much more of this GOPerversion I can take.

[vssmith]

56. I am not defending Woodward but

since he wrote the first two books it makes it harder for the Bushies to refute this one.

[Bozita]

3. WOW! ... Five recommendations in four minutes

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. !

:grr:

[Imagevision]

22. Rice needs to be brought back into NSA failures on her watch!!

[chill_wind]

6. I'm shocked, I tell ya

:sarcasm:

[marmar]

7. No doubt...

And hopefully the American public will get over the syndrome described by Sheryl Crow in the song "Strong Enough":

Lie to me
I promise I'll believe
Lie to me
But please don't leave

[ProSense]

8. Woodward: We Lied!

Woodward: They Lied and I Gave Them Cover!

[walldude]

16. Exactly.. what an asshole

he ruins his reputation by kissing Bush's ass and now tries to do an expose'.

[NashVegas]

9. I Wonder Who Woodward Takes His Marching Orders From

By this point, I don't believe for one minute that he would be publishing this if it weren't on someone's suggestion.

[goclark]

10. Marching Orders Come From His House NOTES

I've always believed that he was the CIA.

He is slime but if he comes out swinging right before the election, it must be because Bush is going down.

I thought his last LIE BOOK was positive for BUSH.

[rzemanfl]

14. I agree he's CIA. I found his last book pretty damning of Bush,

butBushCo rode it out by recommending it on their website, knowing none of their supporters read-too busy counting their money or going to church.

[cui bono]

24. Really? Wow. I never read it, but that's an interesting strategy. nt

[rzemanfl]

25. What else could they do? Attack Woodward? n/t

[tblue]

52. LOL!

Either that, or they're just too damn lazy and self-righteous and have no interest in what's true.

[DaveT]

18. Naval intelligence

is where he came from.

At the end of his military service, Woodward applied to Harvard Law School, and was accepted for the fall 1970 term, but he chose to pursue a career in journalism instead. He persuaded The Washington Post to give him an unpaid two-week try-out. Not one of the 17 stories he filed was printed. The Post editors concluded that he was not ready for a major metropolitan daily newspaper, and arranged for him to take job as one of four reporters at a small suburban weekly, The Montgomery County Sentinel.

He quickly tired of the routine assignments his position offered, and began to hunt for news on his own. He soon became the paper's leading reporter, and by September 1971, the Post was ready to give him another try.

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/woo1bio-1

This kid walks in off the street and proves that he can't write, and instead of thanks but no thanks, the Post arranges for him to work at a suburban weekly until he learns the trade. Two years from turning down a seat in Harvard Law School, he becomes the most famous journalist of his generation.

A guy who supposedly nails Richard Nixon has more "access" to the Bush Administration than any other journalist.

A truly charmed life.

Or a guy with really good connections.

Which do you think is more plausible?


Take nothing from him at face value.

[Straight Shooter]

20. "Take nothing from him at face value."

Exactly. Regarding Woodward, it's best to take everything from him at two-faced value.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[DaveT]

21. Great line.

Two faced value. There is always another story behind every story this guy tells.

Thanks for the welcome.

[Jade Fox]

19. His own ego.....

Woodward loves being Washington's "formost political writer", or however he views himself, and changes his agenda to fit the mood of the nation.

I'm glad he's written this book and it is getting attention. But Woodward is untrustworthy.

[bunny planet]

11. Well duuh!

Thanks Booby, a little late aren't you. What reason did we have to endure the first two kiss-ass books when the truth was vital then. Almost too late to do any good but thanks anyway.

[Tin Man]

12. The Woodward article is truly damning. Kiss your legacy goodbye, Chimpy

...say hello to Tricky Dick. :nopity:

K&R

[DeeDeeNY]

13. I used to think they were just incompetent

But actually, they are truly evil.

[glitch]

35. Incompetence is just one of their covers. They're old-fashioned thieves

and murderers, same as they ever were. Iraq and the US Treasury is a big score for them, it will be legendary for their followers.

Unless we get it all back and throw them all in jail.

[femrap]

43. W is NOT incompetent....he is full of DECEIT...

and EVIL. He wants people to think he is incompetent...a kind of NASCAR guy who angry white males would like to have a beer with. Chavez was right....as evil as the devil himself.

[DeeDeeNY]

46. Actually he's all of these things

And he's also incompetent as well. That is a
lethal combination.

[Imagevision]

17. The short of it? They lied. Period. -should be Dem mantra thru 11/07/06

[hatrack]

23. And the winner of this week's "No Shit?!?" Award:

The Washington Post!!

:puke:

[stop the bleeding]

26. But will America listen and take notice?

or more aptly put, does America even care anymore?

[vickitulsa]

27. I read the article, and it's damning, and not one word is a surprise.

I figure a lot of hold-out supporters of the Kissinger-induced strategy on Iraq which chimpy adopted (to never give an inch, never leave without a win because victory has to be the only exit strategy) just might be willing to read all of an article or even a book by Woodward the two-faced.

And it's precisely those diehard chimp supporters who could be shocked and appalled (at long last) at just how ridiculously, incompetently WRONG and DECEITFUL the policy in Iraq was from the git-go.

Not saying it's gonna sway a lot of folks, but I suppose one more voice in the chorus now finally telling the TRUTH on occasion re this administration can't hurt.

The reality (as opposed to the dis-reality explained upthread) of the situation is that the chorus of voices that's been singing the truth instead of lies for a long time now and risking being smeared (or worse) to do it, is simply growing larger and louder.

This is the Common Knowledge Cure I've been talking about lately, and it's something that continues to give me hope.

When it becomes Common Knowledge that this administration has lied and bungled its way through every single situation it's handled since its inception -- but especially regarding the war in Iraq that Americans are so focused on and disgusted with, then I believe more than half the battle to throw the bums out is won.

I think Woodward the two-faced is sucking hind teat and bringing up the rear when it comes to writing the definitive book on how this administration lied about and bungled everything related to Iraq. He seems to be trying simply to flesh out the story and impress everyone with his close personal relationships with major players, so I don't think there's much chance that he'll be seen as an astute or early source of truth.

But if his turnaround helps even a few of the hardcore chimp supporters see the light, I guess I'm happy about that.

[Pachamama]

28. They lied...then they lied to cover the lies...Now they lie about doing it

LIARS! CRIMINALS! TRAITORS TO THEIR NATION!

:grr:

[driver8]

30. KKKarl will come up with a plan to sweep this under the rug.

It can join wiretapping, torture, the Downing Street memo, and all of the other "damning" evidence we thought would bring down the regime.

I am really starting to believe that a majority of people in this country just don't give a shit. They will toss the front page aside so they can get to the Sports page.

[kskiska]

33. Kissinger: "Withdrawal of U.S. troops will become like salted peanuts…

to the American public; the more U.S. troops come home, the more will be demanded," he wrote.

(snip)

…One of Kissinger's private criticisms of Bush was that he had no mechanism in place, or even an inclination, to consider the downsides of impending decisions. Alternative courses of action were rarely considered.

As best Card could remember, there had been some informal, blue-sky discussions at times along the lines of "What could we do differently?" But there had been no formal sessions to consider alternatives to staying in Iraq. To his knowledge there were no anguished memos bearing the names of Cheney, Rice, Hadley, Rumsfeld, the CIA, Card himself or anyone else saying "Let's examine alternatives," as had surfaced after the Vietnam era.

[Jacobin]

34. News Flash from a 60's Relic

What a two-faced fuck. First its all war and bush is good, no great!!, now its like, hey, psst

[Kurovski]

49. I'm beginning to wonder if the first book wasn't to gain their trust so as

to slap them down now.

Or perhaps he just hoped to regain something of his legacy after he was excoriated for his first WH book?

I dunno.

[lfairban]

36. Why were these guys listening to Kissinger?

They said that Iraq would not become a quagmire like Vietnam, and then they start basing policy on the advice from Kissinger. What kind of sense does that make?

What does Kissinger think that we should have done in Vietnam, stay there until 2090? If we had, the "Government of South Vietnam" would have been no more viable than it was the day we created it.

If the * administration could have been any more stupid, I don't see how.

[Buns_of_Fire]

39. When you have a weak mind -- like boosh* -- you're

susceptible to manipulation from people like Dr. Strangelove -- who is still trying to prove that he was right, after all (despite all evidence that he was wrong!).

After extricating ourselves from Vietnam II, Kissinger should be declared persona non grata from any major policy discussions. Better still, extradite him to one of the several countries where he's already persona non grata and let him try to bedazzle them with his brilliance.

[femrap]

44. This regime and all of their buddies are making a

FORTUNE off of this war....where do all the billions go? Certainly not to build decent schools or hospitals. It's all CORRUPTION...and the cronies are getting filthy rich from it.

On Democracy Now! the Halliburton subsidiary of KBR built a Police Academy....the pipes are blowing up and sewage is everywhere...it was built with toothpicks. And that is just one of many.

This war is here to make these guys wealthy....to feed the corporations like Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Boeing, etc. This regime prays to the almighty $...it doesn't give a rat's ass about Democracy. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that our troops have been directed to kill all of these Iraqis that are showing up dumped filled with bullet holes on a daily basis.

Kissinger is another evil, sadistic meglomaniac.

[DemReadingDU]

37. Perhaps Woodward got ticked off

because Bush & Cheney refused to talk to Woodward...

Mr. Woodward writes that his book is based on “interviews with President Bush’s national security team, their deputies, and other senior and key players in the administration responsible for the military, the diplomacy, and the intelligence on Iraq.” Some of those interviewed, including Mr. Rumsfeld, are identified by name, but neither Mr. Bush nor Vice President Dick Cheney agreed to be interviewed, the book says.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/washington/29account.html?

[Tellurian]

38. Can't Wait for the NEXT Book!

We can take it..

We want the tell ALL book..that tells the whole TRUTH..

Get busy Bob, theres at least 1 or 2 more books in ya..! :hi:

[Zhade]

40. Yes, and Woodward helped them do so. Repeatedly.

Too little too late, Woodward. You have no credibility anymore, except with those not awake.

[Nordic65]

41. Christopher Hitchens - Idiot

Ha-ha, wonder how this fat stupid drunken bolt feels right now. Conflicted perhaps?

He has made a career of demonizing Kissinger and at the same time spent the last four years idolizing * and the war in Iraq.

[jberryhill]

42. In other news... Dog Bites Man!

Wow, another shocking revelation that the Bush Administration lied.

Someday an investigative reporter is going to get a real scoop with "Investigation Confirms Bears Shit In Woods".

I gotta believe that any American even marginally paying attention has made up their mind one way or another, and that continued "new evidence of lying" isn't going to change their mind either way. I don't know what will, but the effects of the apalling charades of this administration need to be driven home in a more persuasive and understandable way.

[Tatiana]

45. Woodward is a selfish, two-faced political whore.

Nothing he says is new. We were all aware of Condi's, Rummy's, and Bush's lies and machinations. Don't get me wrong - I'm glad at least one prominent media hack is putting the truth in print for the masses to digest, but Woodward knew all these facts when he fellated Bush and supported the right.

All this makes me wonder is what his motivation for printing this NOW? Is the CIA making another overthrow attempt? Does Woodward read the writing on the wall - see the changing political environment and is he anticipating a Democratic takeover?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

47. So it's Kissinger. Again.

Funny how his name is never mentioned, yet he's once again at the center of this conglomeration of mistakes. He's still determined to have the victory that was denied him in Nam.

He should have been tied to a post and shot as a traitor years ago.

[SoCalDem]

48. Alternate headline: They Lied, and we hid it ,so they'd get re-elected.

:puke:

[kestrel91316]

53. Really? No s - - t? Republicans LIED????????

[JNelson6563]

54. Things seem to be stacking up

against Team Bush and their gang of thugs (a.k.a. Republican controlled Congress). If things keep up at this rate the feces should make total contact with the fan on or just before election day.

:toast:

Julie

[UTUSN]

55. El Diablo, Henry KKK, has nothing but contempt for "American culture" n/t

[symbolman]

58. They first throw the sick animals

overboard (read FOLEY), then the rats start leaving the ship, THOSE that POINT at FOLEY for their own safety..

There is a great culling going on, and in the end WE may actually WIN, tho it will take 20 years to undo 8 years of damages.

[Raffi Ella]

59. kickin'

'cuz this is so important.

:kick:

[IWantAChange]

60. Think about it - Nixon era participants - Cheney and Rumsfeld

and anyone is surprised there are lies and deceits? Come on people - if you thought anything else was going to happen stick to your blogging and don't get involved in the real world - contributing, campaigning and working for a change - cuz reality isn't part of your vocabulary.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

61. He's going to say it out loud tonight... Vid link:

http://leftandrightfight.com/anything.html 3rd video down