What makes guys like Foley do the things they do? Adult women scare them??

[opihimoimoi]

They want to Dominate so much they can only use children to get off???

This is SICK and Perverted.

Get the HOOK and take these guys off the STAGE....ASAP.

[rzemanfl]

1. I don't think Foley is interested in women. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

3. LOL, Apparently not.....

[Bluebear]

46. What's so funny?

[donco6]

53. I'm curious, too.

Is "not liking women" funny?

[MikeNearMcChord]

2. Has there been any reaction from John Walsh?

What a hit in the solar plexus.

[opihimoimoi]

4. Not sure....

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Yep - Walsh has chimed in:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2265696

[opihimoimoi]

7. "He will be missed"....that gatta be a mistake..or else...something is

going on we don know about.

[Cooley Hurd]

9. They pulled that line...

...still, the overall statement PRAISING Foley is just utterly sickening, coming from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children!:grr::puke::grr:

[opihimoimoi]

11. There has to be a reason for the Foley backup...WTF?

[SPKrazy]

19. I E-mailed Them On Their Contact Page

national missing and exploited children

told them it was unbelievable that they would support him.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Good for you....but I wonder WHY in the world would they do that?

Is there a Pedio in the Org?

[SPKrazy]

24. I Think That Foley Has Been An Advocate Against Pedophiles

then he was one

he's helped Walsh in the past too

[opihimoimoi]

25. I still don't understand...There has to be a cut off at some point..

in this case, I would think the cut off point was reached. There is no need to back up an OUTTED Pedator....They shoulda just shut their mouth.

[SPKrazy]

34. I Agree, I Don't Get It

that's why I e-mailed them

[Skittles]

36. not THEN he was one

WHILE he was one

[opihimoimoi]

39. Yeah, lol

:toast:

[SPKrazy]

47. Yeah, I'm Not Defending Him Or Walsh

Just trying to understand the disconnect between Walsh and him on this

[opihimoimoi]

49. No offense, the YEAH was for Skittles(old friend)

For the life of me, I still don't understand the Walsh's position either.

There is something about this case.....hmmmmmmmm

I guess we all mystified

[Opusnone]

5. The similarities between our "leaders" and our enemies is striking

Same shit, different God.

[opihimoimoi]

8. Yup, too many similarities to be a coincidence...

[kineneb]

28. so true, but

same shit, same God, same lame excuses, different trappings

(all the desert religions purport to follow the God of Abraham and recognize the Old Testament, so 'same God')

[Hav]

10. .

Maybe he was a little insecure...

Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that
Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2
Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful
Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size

[opihimoimoi]

14. That should be on the MSNBC Channel, or FOX....

[rocktivity]

12. In a word, yes.

What child predators find "scary" about adults is that they're more likely to notice they're not as ideal as THEY think are--as people AND as lovers--and end the relationship. A child's innocence eliminates the possibility of such unbearable humiliation. That's why dominating the child--physically and psychologically ("If you tell you'll go to jail/I'll kill or leave your mother")--is paramount to them.

:headbang:
rocknation

[opihimoimoi]

13. Yup, I Thought it something like that.Cannot deal with the Inadequencies

so they go for the Kids...sick....

Why do most of these types end up in the Pub party when choosing sides??

What makes them gravitate to the Pubs...is it the Deciet Factor?

[EFerrari]

18. Well, Republicans, like children, tend to think in black and white terms.

and they tend to think magically -- so, it's pretty easy to manipulate them.

[opihimoimoi]

22. We don need no stinkin Pub Pedios in Congress, dats fer sure

[StellaBlue]

15. I would say

What makes guys like Foley do the things they do?
DNA. I would say this or some brain chemistry, same reason people are gay or straight. I think pedophiles are truly acting out of compulsion. They cannot be rehabilitated. Having said that, acting on their desires should be a criminal act. The penalties should be worse. Children must be protected from them, but I think the pedophiles should be quarantined somewhere, all together, for life, making quilts or something.

Adult women scare them?? In my experience, yes. Adult sexuality is foreign and repulsive to many of them, just like gay sex is repulsive to heterosexuals and vice versa. They are threatened by adults, too, because adults can fully articulate WHY they are rebuffing advances, can fight back on more equal terms, and know the law.

Also, of course, all Republicans are scared of adult, mature, intelligent women. That's why they want to keep them barefoot and pregnant. Next they'll be saying girls should leave school after eighth grade. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they like torture...

[opihimoimoi]

16. A Pedio Camp for the Pedophiles?? Love the Idea/concept

Where? How about SugarLand Texas?

A Camp/prison w/out kids for Pedo's would drive them nutz....

Riots would ensue

[StellaBlue]

17. Seriously

they cannot be rehablitated. I firmly believe that this is a brain function issue and that they are victims of a chemical difference from the rest of us (perhaps this served some evolutionary purpose or something...?). Punishing them does no good whatsoever, and the sentences are always too short (e.g. NOT LIFE). They need to all be quarantined away from the general populace to protect children. There they can read, lie in a hammock, make license plates, whatever. But never can they torture any children.

[opihimoimoi]

20. LOL, I'm on your page...How bout a LIFE TIME CAMP for those dudes?

Of course there will be many who wish not to spend all that tax dollars on said camps/prisons by cement shoeing the buggers and flipping them off a boat in 6,000 feet of water...

If we can afford it...the prison is the best idea with the prisoners growing their own food, making their own clothes, etc.

[The2ndWheel]

23. Why not just figure out what gene causes it

then after they're born, stick in some deep underground facility where they can grow up? Why wait until they do something when they're 30 or 40? If it's DNA or brain chemistry, it'll happen anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's where we're headed anyway.

[opihimoimoi]

26. If only we could do this. As it stands, the best we can do is make it easy

for sexually frustrated ppl to get off.

We should not be suppressing sex as we do...

Legalize prostitution and watch our sex crimes go down....go visit Amsterdam and look at their stats.

[StellaBlue]

27. But who are the prostitutes?

No woman would choose to be a prostitute if there were other viable options for supporting herself or her children.

Those women, even in Amsterdam, are largely foreign sex slaves who were kidnapped by gangsters.

I agree in principle that prostitution, as an act between consenting adults, should be legal. But in reality it is very, very bad for women.

Never mind the social normalization of women as sex objects. I mean, we already are, but it's only seen in more socially acceptable forms, like strip clubs on the edges of towns, the covers of magazines in the supermarkets, etc.

I don't like the way men think. Prostitution sucks.

[opihimoimoi]

30. LOL, on the other hand, there are male prostitutes too

There are many women/men who would prostitute themselves. Some for money and some for the fun....Its a fact of life. We are Human and we are flawed?

[StellaBlue]

31. Yeah, of course.

But how many male prostitutes are there?

How many of those sell their services to women?

Having sex with a friend and them giving you money should not be illegal. But the organized institution of selling women across international borders for trafficking in sex is very real, and very disgusting. Most men who go to Amsterdam, or elsewhere, perfer not to think about this, if they are the type of man who would even give a shit (which, I suspect, most of them are not).

I don't like the way men think. I wish I was a lesbian.

[madmusic]

29. Medical Experts Struggle To Pinpoint Pedophilia Cause

http://pioneer.csueastbay.edu/PioneerWeb/PioneerNews5-9-02/PioneerNews5-9-02-Page9.pdf#search=%22pedophilia%20causes%22">Medical Experts Struggle To Pinpoint Pedophilia Cause (PDF)

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:giTj4tBIdCkJ:pioneer.csueastbay.edu/PioneerWeb/PioneerNews5-9-02/PioneerNews5-9-02-Page9.pdf+pedophilia+causes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10">view as HTML

EDIT: I didn't know the PDF version is a newspaper article.

[opihimoimoi]

32. Its OK, I could read it....Thank you for the link, very informative

Now we know the experts don't know....OMG...they got no idea what makes a guy like kids.

No amount of couseling, drugs, treatment seems to cure the Pedo.

Some posters believe incarceration on some remote island or a prison makes sense.

No one seems to want them...even for body parts...

I wish we could find out the answers.

[madmusic]

33. Here's another:

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/41/10/37">Pedophilia Often in Headlines, But Not in Research Labs

It's turning out to be interesting. Maybe we don't know why because no one cared why.

[opihimoimoi]

35. Thanks again...LOL, soon we be Pedophileologists

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Are You Saying That Homosexual Males Are Gay Because They Fear Women?

That's a new one.

I also don't believe he did such things for sake of domination as much as he did it simply out of mental immaturity and simply being twisted.

Definitely sick and perverted though.

[opihimoimoi]

38. Who said anything about gays fearing women...? don be puting words

in my mouth.

No one knows the cause of pedophiles being what they are...but we can guess...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. That's What You Implied, With All Due Respect. The Words Were Yours.

Your thread title declares it loud and clear. Since we know Mr.Foley is in fact gay, the fact that you asked does he do the things he does because he's scared of grown women attacks that concept. I know you meant the things he does in a sense of going after the young boys, but that would have nothing to do with your argument. Your argument was assuming that he should like grown women, and that since he doesn't then it means he must fear them. I couldn't help but wondering if you felt that way about other gay men as well.

Maybe I misinterpreted, but I think you would've been more accurate and not given a wrong impression had you asked if he did these things because he's scared of grown men. Since it's now apparent that he's gay, that would've been the appropriate comparison. Having criticized him while implying the right way would've been with a grown woman, when for him it would've been with a grown man, came off to me as more of a knock on him being gay. I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

If you didn't mean it that way, then so be it.

[VeggieTart]

41. I don't give a shit if Foley is gay

But he wrote dirty words to 1) a minor and 2) an employee. I'd be just as outraged if it were a girl he IM'd with. He's single, by the way. If he were having a dirty e-mail romance with a grownup who wasn't employed by the U.S. Congress, I don't think anyone would give a shit.

It's pedophiles who are scared of grown-ups and grown women. I think a lot of conservatives and the ultrareligious are also afraid of independent women as well. It's why the anti-choice wants to control women's sexuality.

[opihimoimoi]

42. When I said "Guys like Foley", I meant PEDOPHILES...not gay..

In my mind, There is a distinction....It was not LOUD and Clear I was including gays....

While I am not gay, I have gay friends and aquaintencies...meaning I am not anti gay.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. I Understand That.

But like I said, it was your use of saying he was scared of grown women, as opposed to being scared of grown men, that seemed to throw the aspect of him being gay into the mix as well. In this situation women have not a thing to do with it whatsoever.

But I do realize you didn't intend it in such a way and it was just the poor choice of words that threw me off. It's all good.

[BlooInBloo]

44. What's with the homophobia? Why not say "adult men"? Sheesh.

Damn bigots.

[Pachamama]

45. He was probably molested as a child. And throughout his childhood and

teen years and growing up, was made to feel bad about expressing sexuality and especially if he was attracted to men, that he didn't know how to express those feelings in a healthy way by being in a relationship wiht a consenting adult male in the open. Instead, they can only do so by going after young boys who are in a subordinate situation and can be controlled and dominated.

The pedophilia part also could come from his own molestation as a young man. In any event, the situation is this - the man looks to be guilty of both sexual harrasment in the work place and of being a sexual predator of minors. The homosexual aspect of it is mute in my opinion. Its the far right wingers and christian groups who detest homosexuality as a sin who will take up the issue of the homosexuality as being so horrible. Ironically, that part is what may end up bothering them more than the fact that he was a sexual predator of minors or guilty of sexual harrassment.

Personally, I think this situation I described above probably is the same affliction that many in the GOP and right wing suffer from. I think it also explains so much of their angst about homosexuality and also why we have seen so much homo-erotic and sadistic torture and abuse from Abu Ghairaib etc.

[opihimoimoi]

48. Yup, good sum up. Its gotten to the point Congress might be tainted still

with this Pedo Prob.

The whole idea is revolting and sucks...but yet, like a disease, we have to find out what is going on?

Could it be possible? That More Congress critters are involved? WE need to find out pronto. A Sick Congress is not good for America.

They could be blk mailed...or might have been already...not for money, but for Votes...I wonder whom????

[Greatwildbeast]

51. Play hardball with Foley

Democrats need to play the politcal angle on this one. Play it sharp but HARD.

They should make public every reasonable request for a full Congressional investigation. Then some local Demo prosecuting attorney somewhere should file some charges against Foley. Afterwards grant him immunity if he cooperates in bringing down bigger fish like Dennis Hastert etc.

Granted none of this would be resolved before the general election next month but it is always best to get the ball rolling.

While some may argue that this is political and dirty pool we have to remember that the general public is swayed by crap like this. I don't like to think that way either but that is just the way it is.

[madmusic]

52. Or we could take the opportunity to turn the GOP on its head.

What you suggest is great for the short term, but in the long term this could be an opportunity to restore compassionate liberalism to its rightful place. That by no means suggests Foley gets a pass and after the election we can have calm debate, but it does mean the ENTIRE police state the Right built over the last 30 years is a fair target. Obviously, social concerns and environment do matter, nature AND nurture both matter. Depending on laws, the police and prisons to solve all our problems obviously isn't working. Again, that's a valid debate to keep in mind after the election.

[opihimoimoi]

58. The Long Term....yes, we should be finding ways to minimize the GOP

and their disastrous ways of governance. Good post....

[opihimoimoi]

56. The Cleansing of the Political machinery is paramount :o)

Its not dirty pool but instead...most welcome.

Good post Greatwildbeast....sending beer and smoked ribs,

[VeggieTart]

50. That's a possibility

A lot of child predators were once abused themselves. A lot of men who grew up where Dad abused Mom end up abusing their wives (and women in similar situations end up in abusive marriages). We can only speculate, of course, as Foley is surely not talking. Children learn what they live, or so the poem goes.

[donco6]

54. I'm a gay man and I'm not "afraid of adult women."

WTF?

[Bluebear]

55. Can you believe this? nt

[opihimoimoi]

57. Apparently its the Pub pedophiles who are afraid of adult women...

Seems like there are a lot more than 1 pedio's out there....over 200 Pubs voted not to investigate Foley. WTF?