"We can do anything we like with you. You are under our control."

[Seabiscuit]

"'We can do anything we like with you,' said the square-jawed man with the prematurely lined face. 'Here no one will know. No one will care. You are under our control.'"

"I heard those chilling words in Chechnya in early 1996, as I was detained at a Russian checkpoint during the bloody first war between Moscow and Chechen separatist forces."

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I hear words like that in my sleep as I dream about what my son's life may be like in Amerika after another 20 years of neocon perversion of our government.

If the status quo remains after 2008, perhaps it's time to expatriate.

Anyone feeling the same way? (as for those who want to call anyone considering expatriation "cowards" or "giving up the good fight", find another thread, please - I for one am tired of your nostrums).

[Erika]

1. Our family looked hard into going to both Canada & Mexico

Canada requires a Canadian sponsor willing to assume 5 years of any possible debt. Mexico strips all rights.

We're still looking.

[Mind_your_head]

2. George Carlin knows it (and I agree with him).....

Please watch/listen:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=935607276

[midnight]

3. We might not have had those word uttered to us,but we have

had a family member stopped at 1:00 a.m. this week and given a breath test 3 times for alcohol. Nothing showed up so he was put in a squad car and his car was searched, then he was taken in and booked for a total of three hours. I called the police dept. saying I was going to have to file a missing person report. The police placed my husbands car in the drive. They had stopped on the side of our property, and took him away. In his car they took his prescription drugs. I asked what he was being held for at 3:00 and they said to protect his privacy I was not to have this info. I told them I was coming to the station, and they requested that I not come. This family member was coming home from work and received two tickets. At time of arrest he was not told what he was arrested for. He left the police station with two tickets. One for OWI. They told him that they didn't know what he was under the influence of but that blood work they pulled from him would indicate this in three months. I guess there are many issues we have about they can do whatever they want, and there is no one who knows where you are mentality. I told the Chief of Police that I was very concerned about these events, but very concerned about the prevention of a phone call to his family, and his rights being read to him. I was told by the chief that he had no rights.

[Seabiscuit]

4. That sounds like something out of Kafka, not from the America we once

knew and imagined we still lived in.

[Cleita]

5. You still have recourse. I believe you should get a lawyer.

If you can't afford one, try to find one who is willing to take your case pro bono. This doesn't sound right to me. A lawyer would be able to find out what they were fishing for and under whose orders