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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:47 PM Original message |
Why Did The UCLA Students Stand By? |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Jcrowley next time you see a cop doing wrong, walk up and fight him |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. High 5!!!! |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I've been at the brutal |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'd like to actually see you DO it |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Are you actually encouraging someone do harm to a police officer??? |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. You missed the point |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I sympathize completely with your frustration |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Talking big after drinking a few too many, probably. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Completely false |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. MIlgram's experiment |
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Casablanca (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
99. If JCrowley does do it, where will you be cowering? |
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Cobalt-60 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Yeah, they never run out of cops |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. As that comedian who |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Yeah, right, |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
98. It seems |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. The days of "cop's stick" are over |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
30. After you get done picking your teeth up you can answer that question. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
66. That's not what they're talking about |
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Casablanca (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
100. ... but there is "helping" and then there is "stupidity." ... |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. It is admirable to help -- I'm not debating that. I'm talking about getting |
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Casablanca (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. You're making a distinction without a difference. |
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driver8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Hey tough guy -- lose the chip on your shoulder, huh? |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Yup. ESPECIALLY if you have no clue |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do you know what the consequences are for kicking cop ass? |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. That's still a great experiment K&R for that |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Some of them tried to intervene but were threatened with similar torture |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. I didn't watch or listen to that video very carefully but I heard at least |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
7. The campus cops probably have guns. They certainly had Tasers, |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. They most certainly are armed and.... |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. And if cops start taking down citizens while a hundred or more cops ........... |
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samdogmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. I saw a video on Keith O. last night and the cell phone video I saw... |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I've watched the video |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. some (maybe just one) were asking for batch numbers |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Interesting question |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Your point is well-taken. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. My point |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Gandhi would have done it. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 04:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
104. Don't know about "does no damage" |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
13. Because they were in shock ... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Exactly. I bet some will act differently next time. All who see video also. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Agreed ... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Kent State. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Yup... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. bunch of not well enough trained and scared people all the way around, with |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
74. 4 Dead in Ohio... |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Another in agreement |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Good point |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. The kids did what THEY, in these times, understand- |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. They did do something. They shot the video and contacted |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. One point that has not been examined |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:00 PM Original message |
I used to work at UCLA and when a department goes rogue and |
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flying_monkeys (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. Do you really think you would have behaved differently? |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
18. they didn't stand by |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Sister got offered a full scholarship from Kent State in 1976. Didn't go there |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. bless her heart:) |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Any students or alumni from UCLA here on DU? n/t |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
20. Well in the clips I saw, the students were not "standing by"... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
25. why have we? |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. I agree |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. thank you for your reply. i wonder if you don't hear people saying |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I see part of that |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. i want to read that. i've only skimmed it, and quick, now, must say |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. very well put. important. more later! must run for now...ty! eom |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:02 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. it is true. tyranny only takes hold once such factors |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
50. So what do you suggest that I SHOULD do? |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
89. dear otherlander, i do not get through an hour without tearing my |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
28. Honestly, if I were there, I would have done the same thing |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
29. The others were NOT silent and the cops DID threaten them; those are real cops w/ real weapons, btw |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
44. Taking this video was the BEST thing anyone could have done. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. So how far do you let it go? |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Had you been there, there result would have been |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Just for the sake of speculation... |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Four students attacking the cops? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:07 PM Original message |
Please pay attention. |
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Casablanca (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
107. But you didn't answer the question. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
46. The attitude that fighting them is a mistake though gives the |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Sworn Law Enforcement |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. In theory you could |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. No you cant interfere with lawful conduct |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
53. It's called the Kitty Genovese Syndrome. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Interesting |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
60. Maybe because the other policemen had tasers as well. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. The Milgram experiment has nothing to do with this. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
63. Blind obediance. Cowardice. |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
64. Fighting individual Police Officers is the right move. |
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Election (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
69. Maybe because they didn't want to have a criminal record and be unable to find a job postgraduation |
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Crim_n al (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. S you are an advocate of the: "me first, and to hell with anyone |
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Crim_n al (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
70. Filming was good, the students doing that did America a favour. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. Interesting questions |
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Giant Robot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
73. I disagree with your use of Milgram's experiment here |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The use of milgram's experiment |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. How does Milgram's experiment |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Why did the other police stand by and watch their colleagues taser repeatedly? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. The $64,000 question. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. you already responded here, but thought I'd post the link anyway |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. Power relations |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. I'm a wimp. I clicked off at the first scream. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
75. Because they are well trained American citizens. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
77. The next question is "at what point do you stand up and risk harm?" |
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Casablanca (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. "I wonder at what point I would get invovled?" |
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bobbie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
80. Good comparison Jcrowley! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I believe all those bases |
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bobbie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Huh? |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. The kid is already lawyered-up |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Upon further reading I discover |
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bobbie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #92 |
103. Oh, I see. Good good. Thank you for the info. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
81. it wasn't the students fault by standing there... |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
94. Noone was blaming |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
88. If the students had interfered as you suggested, they might have gotten someone killed. |
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