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Election (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:47 PM Original message |
I am troubled by some of the "advice" being given to young students :re dealing with police |
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Little Wing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. *claps* |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's a no-win situation... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. yes, it's much safer for the sheep to bunch up and be fearful... |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. How much cop fighting have you done, keyboard commando? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. The OP does not recommend non violent resistance. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. Yes, there are good choices, and the UCLA kids did exactly that. |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
95. From 1977 to 82 |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. I hear you |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. It is only when we all start acting against the abuse of authority |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Thanks for saying that |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. a record is a big obstacle to getting a job at a 7-11 |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. So a choice between the survival of civil society and your own career |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. "Whatever it is we're supposed to be standing up for" |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. So I should step in and be a victim of the system |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. No, you should stand aside and let the cops torture people |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. eggnog - or peppermint mocha. nt. |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. No foam, please. n/t |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. No thanks |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. When the law is on their side? |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Pretty much |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I can't seem to find the words to express my disgust with your viewpoint |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Yeah I've noticied that we have two very different realities |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Way too deep. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. I think you misunderstand me |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. I think you misunderstand me |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Neither do I |
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Nostradammit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. I think you have more faith in our justice system than I do |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Well, I'm happy that the Civil Rights Movement, and the Vietnam antiwar movement |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Civil disobedience |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Gee, so I suppose you don't consider the anti-war protests in '68, '72 or |
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NEDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. So just bend over and take it |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. when you say "you" |
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NEDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Absolutely |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. The police shouldn't have tasered him. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. I have a reasonable counter question. |
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Crim_n al (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. The jury here has decided. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. CAN THE OP RESPOND TO #12 PLEASE. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Deleted message |
Election (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. In general |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. I'm sorry but that is a non-answer. |
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Election (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. I'm sorry, but that's the best answer to a hypothetical that I can give |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I didn't give a hypothetical. I asked you to give one. |
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Election (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. It's a hypothetical namely because |
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Crim_n al (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. You'd dial up even more police? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. And if that don't work SWAT TEAM TIME |
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Crim_n al (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. One would think so. There are big bad laws now and we need jobs |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Cooperate when it happens and if they overstep their bounds, make |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
17. LOL, how pathetic |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I hate to break it to you |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Hate to break it to you, |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Who the fuck is advocating sitting down and taking it? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Sorry, but there comes a time when you have to take a stand |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. You're not the only one who's ever put your ass on the line |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. your employers are different from mine |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Granted, I don't know the specific attitudes of each and every employer |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
98. I agree |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. I don't believe your assertion |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. How many tens of thousands of people were arrested on either political or moral |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. For example may day 1971. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. straw man |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. No, but the OP *is* saying that the students should stand by and not interfere |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. The OP appears to have edited up his OP. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Oh there was plenty of violence on that day. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
19. So the "tough on crime" movement can claim total victory. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Actually, being tasered repeatedly can easily be a matter of life or death |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. I question that assertion as well |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Criminally negligent, perhaps not. But morally negligent, certainly |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. That's not what I mean. Sorry it wasn't clear. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. For example: |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. A voice of reason and sanity on this topic midst the Che wannabes. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Ghandi, not Che. |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Ah, here we go with the straw men, right out of the chute... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. You said we are all che wannabes. Your strawman. |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
78. And wrong again (quelle surprise): to be a strawman the analogy must be false... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. I bow to your superior intellect. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. Gandhi demanded that people attack police officers? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. No he suggested militant non violent resistance. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. the OP is talking about fighting police officers |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
91. The original post has been edited. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. Had I been present, they would have had to take me too.. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. Someone in another thread mentioned the Berkley Cop Watch |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
34. I agree, and applaud your post. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Selma Alabama. nt. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
75. And? |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
76. Selma, AL represents people ACTING |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I give the students enormous credit; it's hard to know exactly what to do |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
39. Everyone should get the "Busted" video from Flex Your Rights |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
59. Thank You Election. n/t |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
73. I have a theory |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
74. So, should protestors be prepared to be tasered these daze? |
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NEDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. yep and when you're zapped, shut up and take it. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. It has already been done on numerous occasions. nt. |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Tasered while Cuffed? n/t |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
89. Okay, I think I posted one of the first.... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
92. Practically speaking, FILMING the attack was far more damaging to the cops than rushing them |
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bob4460 (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
93. Well in a state like Kentucky where if you are a felon..... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. Wide range of responses to this incident, for next time what to do |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
96. More campus involvement, from staff and students alike, in oversight of recruitment, training, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. The university has ombudsmen to settle disputes among |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
97. Questions |
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