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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:51 PM Original message |
Blood clotting drugs given to soldiers...problems resutl may include death |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Until this drug is APPROVED by the FDA for this use, they should desist immediately. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Isn't it a catch 22? Maybe it could save lives? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The "maybe" is the problem. And our troops are being used as guinea pigs. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. unethical and illegal. But I wonder if they ask the soldiers to sign a |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. 2 more Recs needed...please if you think the comments are |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Hey FOLKS--Give this thread TWO Rec's. This thread is fantastic! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
42. The horrible irony of modern combat medicine |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Hi! Welcome to DU. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:04 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Thank you!! :) n/t |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Use of drugs for other than their FDA-approved purpose.. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Here's a more detailed article about this, which is clear about the huge danger of using this drug |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. thank you. Can you post that link to my blog? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Only if I don't have to register with my name, email and all that. You are welcome to post it, |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I wondered the same thing. |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree that this needs to be studied |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. This is not a brand new drug. Certainly, if there had been evidence that it was effective |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. sorry |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. So you'd follw the money to who? & are they being gunnea pigs? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. At $6,000 per dose without clinical evidence to support its use, those are the questions. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Is there something morally wrong about NOT using it? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Well, someone's making a profit. This has never been used for severe trauma before. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. OMG...your story is incredible! I wish you'd post it on my blog. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. How hard would it be to figure out how many who died of |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The problem is the coverup! Look at Gulf War 1. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
40. it would be very difficult. I met a military soldier who told me that |
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Dunvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. My thoughts on the use of this drug on the battlefield is somewhat "sanguinely" conflicted... |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. A couple of points: |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Thanks for your thoughts. You're so right! AND that was one reason |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. Please k & R for the troops. I think we need to know these answers. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. K and R!!! this needs to be front paged! AND I'm amazed by |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. Without more information it is hard to say |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. The experts in the field of hematology think it's insane, direct quote. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Were those the only hematologists that they talked to? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. When it comes to managing clotting factor issues, a drug which only manages a single factor |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Thanks |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. That's a good point. But bleedingheart offered the statical data for you. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Is this a "liberal" view? Or more widespread? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
22. I'm not a doctor but as a medic wtih ten years in the field |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Another great point. Thanks! |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Please provide the link to the studies that support its use in DIC. n/t |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. My final summation. This drug, if it doesn't help you, it kills you. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. But if you're going to bleed to death in the 'field' is it worth the risk? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. So, nolies, what are your thoughts about this? You've been asking a lot |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Well, obviously its a tough situation. |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Good comment. The taxpayers would probably be paying |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. This seems like a heart wrenching decision. |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
44. Big Deal. After all the signed the contract.. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. . |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. What about the shot they gave Gulf War 1 soldiers. |
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nolies32fouettes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Please get started. I don't know anything about this and would |
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