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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:17 PM Original message |
Poll question: We've been living in a fascist (corporatist) nation since... |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. At least since the revolutionary era. America has been a nation of business since its founding. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The structure of modern corporations is different. |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Corporate Welfare under Lincoln |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 06:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. This page says U.S. Corporation created in 1871 |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. No, that's a myth. Corporations were LESS regulated in 19th century. |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. That may be a little shortsighted. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Your post is one I was anticipating -- that's why there is a |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. shouted out, who killed the Kennedys, well don't you know it was IT&T n/t |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. You've been to some marches I didn't attend... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. International Telephone and Telegraph. I was joking actually, but I trace |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So. Are we old yet? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Happy birthday. I'm not far behind you. I'll be 52 before years end. n/t |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Okay - just for the record I knew what IT&T stood for... |
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independentpiney (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Korean War- military and arms spending actually |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. There's a difference between capitalism and corporatism. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I appreciate your distinctions - still America was built on dirty business |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I didn't mean to seem dismissive of those things, I just didn't mention them... |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Good points, but I'm not so sure that I would include the part |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I think you are far more familiar with the history of that region than am I... |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. They may, simply by moving in and squatting. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. The Spanish were in CA, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and Nevada from |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Thanks for the further detail and clarification! |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. The Mexican American war planned and executed by James Polk. He used |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Before the Robber Barons we had the Banking Cartels. The mafia |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Corporations buying favorable legislative consideration is nothing new. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I didn't mean to imply that buying influence in government was something new. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I don't see that it is any more clouded now than in the 19th century. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. That's only considering a few factors. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. I suspect there is more lobbying influence today. But outsourcing? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I'm saying the lobbying and outsourcing are connected. |
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smitty (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. Mussolini never defined corporatism in the simplistic way you |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Here is my head on a platter just for you... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
13. Other. Since the days of the robber barons. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. I Think It Grew Out Of The World Wide Depression Of The 20's |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It began around 1920 IMO. The Itallian model of fascism was respected by many in America |
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smitty (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
23. Most people use "fascism" as a pejorative |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Okay, now that you've mentioned Cole Porter - |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Actually, I find Nazi fills my need for fascist perjoratives and |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. From the beginning. It's just been interrupted a few times. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I got chills when I watched Kennedy's acceptance speech from |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
35. There is a small segment of Americans that want things to go their way |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
36. Depends on who you mean |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. 1776 |
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