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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:46 PM
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Poll question: Would you be happy if Bush ended up being pardoned of any and all crimes he may have committed?
So as not to put our country through such an emotionally draining experience? You know to kind of bring the country together? What do you think?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:48 PM
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1. I would like to see him meet the same fate a Saddam Hussein
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 02:49 PM by BrklynLiberal
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 06:20 PM
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23. way too good a fate for him or the people pulling his strings
life in gitmo or a worse prison with him and his masters tortured until they confess to all their crimes.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 07:46 PM
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25. hmmmmmmmmm you are right.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:49 PM
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2. Happy? Surely you jest.
I was mad as hell when Ford pardoned Nixon, and if some future president were to pardon Bush I would be absolutely livid; as bad as Nixon was, Bush is far worse. If there's anybody who deserves to stand in the dock in an orange jumpsuit, it's that guy.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:50 PM
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3. Leavenworth
has a very special place just for him and Dick.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:50 PM
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4. Well, if President Clinton thought that it was in our best interests
I guess I could go along:eyes:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:50 PM
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5. I'd consider it if it were the price for he and Cheney resigning together. nt
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:15 PM
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11. That was my first thought ...
If (and only if) we could be assured that the Chimp and the cabal are gone and that work, in earnest, will be done to get this country out of the $^*# the Chimp has got us into----------- I would go for it; if only to prevent him from reining more hell upon us (and the world)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:51 PM
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6. A lot of people thought Nixon should've been convicted, but he was pardoned.
He was pardoned "for the good of the country."
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:53 PM
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7. If the crimes of this administration go unpunished...
If the crimes of this administration go unpunished I fear that our country will not survive, at least not as an open and free democratic society.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:54 PM
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8. Your point is well-taken
And lost on some.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:56 PM
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9. No. It would be like sewing up the wound with the poison still inside.
Which was exactly what happened the last time—the last two times, considering Iran-Contra—the criminals were left unpunished.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:07 PM
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10. so far it's unanimous:NO!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:17 PM
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12. How about if he and Cheney agreed to step down right now in exchange?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:17 PM
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13. I'd say we should
hand him over to the World Court. Let them deal with him.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:17 PM
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14. No, not after all the people he has arrested without trial, sent to
rendition, tortured. He needs a dose of his own medicine. Put him in Cuba for 3 years and then try him.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:31 PM
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15. Only if he were dead!!!!!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:34 PM
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16. One step at a time. I'd be happy for his crimes to be
publicly acknowledged. Pardoned? I don't pardon him, regardless of what politicians may do.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:35 PM
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17. Everyone saying no is either a hypocrite OR against Nixon's pardon as well.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:50 PM
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21. Nixon's pardon is a great example of what happens when a pardon
Edited on Mon Jan-01-07 03:52 PM by 1monster
is given even before the trial and conviction.

Many of the people who have been destroying our nation for the last six years got their start in national government under Nixon. Had there been a trial bringing out all of the evidence, it is possible that some of those who came out smelling reasonably clean from the Nixon Adminsitration would not have survived politically.

There are differences. I believe that many of Nixon's crimes came about due to personality flaws; i.e. his paranoia stemming from apparent low self-esteem (or self-respect). I don't think that it was his intention to create a dictatorship in this country or to take over the world.

(Bush actually suggested openly that he would like to be dictator of this country and his whole Iraq and Middle East policy seems to be aimed at controlling the world through OIL.)

Other excesses of the Nixon administration could be traced to his reliance on Henry Kissinger, who, I think, is just as evil as any member of the BFEE political family.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:43 AM
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35. Definitely against Nixon's pardon as well!
n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:37 PM
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18. Great question, and one some here can't answer without being hypocrites.
Myself, not being of the utterly idiotic opinion that letting a criminal like Nixon go free "healed" the nation, say "HELL NO!"

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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:44 PM
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19. apparently not
The country faces an emotionally draining experience, whatever happens. That's not at issue. But politics is about getting things done. If it took a pardon to get the rest of what's needed done, I could live with that, though I don't see how the one would facilitate the other. As for bringing the country together, bringing Democrats and a neocon-dominated GOP together's the last thing we should want.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:45 PM
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20. Happy? No f*cking way!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:54 PM
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22. If we impeach him, he won't be pardoned, he'll be acquitted. Is that better?
Because finding him guilty requires having a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict -- which we're not even close to, not at this point.

Unless he can be convicted, I don't want him impeached. I don't want him to be vindicated in the Senate. I'd rather let him wallow in the mud of two years of investigations and not give him a chance to shower it all off in a show trial that we lose.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 07:32 PM
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24. for the good of the country?
If the sole criteria for impeaching the bastard is to do what would be good for the country, then hell fucking yes ship the bastard to the Hague and let him face an international war crimes court.

After the hanging, we can then try his corpse in the USA for treason and forcibly raping the constitution.

-85% Jimmy

adoring the marvelous prose in this, my 1,000th DU poste!
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 10:01 PM
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27. why not have the iraqi government simply convene a kangaroo court
after all our troops are removed and send bush and his cabal there to be tried. we would have to wait until the civil war in iraq plays itself out and whoever rises to the top gets his power. assuming whoever that is would even bother with a kangaroo court and not simply torture and kill them.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:40 AM
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30. I'm not a constitutional expert, but I doubt that would be legal.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 07:56 PM
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26. Before you can pardon someone you have to find this person guilty
So, yes, first determine whether what he did was in violation of the law of the land that he swore to uphold and then, as with Nixon, pardon him so we can move on.

There are too many things that we need to accomplish without obsessing, and marinating in what Bush (or Nixon) did.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 10:04 PM
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28. I'd sort of accept it, because
a)it at least presumes that crimes were committed. Just having that in his historical record would be something.

b)it would mean he's out of office, which can't be a bad thing.

So, while an impeachment would be optimal, I could live with a pardon.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 10:08 PM
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29. It doesn't matter...
what we think. I believe he'll get away with everything! JMHO!
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QMPMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:46 AM
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31. I want * tried in the Hague. And to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:50 AM
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32. Investigations should expose bush for all war crimes he's committed
then impeached!!
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:57 AM
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33. I had to pick #3 only because I know he'll never see the inside of a prison cell
let alone the gallows. Justice will never come to * in this manner.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:42 AM
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34. What -- are you insane?
At the very least, he deserves the rest of his miserable life in solitary confinement!!

And that goes for the rest of his gang, as well.

Life Imprisonment!!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 09:08 AM
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36. Holy shit! 3 DUers want Bush pardoned? n/t
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:00 PM
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37. If They Are Pardoned, Send Them to the Hague
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