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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:14 AM
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Tom Brokaw = Rush Limbaugh
Nothing but a major blowhard.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:15 AM
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1. Could you elaborate?
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:24 AM
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11. Brokaw uses faux journalistic credibility to push the republican agenda--not unlike
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 11:24 AM by ariellyn
Limbaugh.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:39 AM
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20. When Did Brokaw Promote The Republican Agenda A La Limbaugh?
I'm curious...


I listen to Rush from time to time and he's nothing like him...


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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:46 AM
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26. Start with reply #27 and then check Google. n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:51 AM
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27. Nothing Comes Up...
The quote in #27 can be interpeted as criticism of the war...

At best it's ambiguous...


It's a play on Tom Friedman's and Colin Powell's Pottery Barn rules on Iraq-


"You break it. you own it."


I really don't think Brokaw is a Republican...

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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:06 PM
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33. I don't either, and I never have.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #27
98. ok. Go to the Daily Howler and search "Brokaw"
then duck.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #26
68. Then put your left foot in
and put your left out and you shake it all about.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:55 PM
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35. Evidence of Brokaw disinformation and dissembling
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 01:13 PM by ariellyn
From the December 4, 2006 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

BROKAW: Well, I think John McCain is the candidate to beat at this point. He is a -- he is a charismatic figure in American life. He's staked himself out there pretty far on Iraq by saying we've got to have more troops before we can have fewer troops there.

It's always hard to track him :eyes:. He's there with his arm around the president one moment and standing back and lobbing grenades then at the next minute. That's what -- part of what makes him appealing.

Again, he'll run the risk of getting out front and everybody will be coming after him. The Republican Party primary is always a more difficult one to win in some regards than the Democrats' because it's a more narrowly cast one. And you have to go to that Republican base. And they have very strong feelings about a lot of issues."



Swiftboat accomplice

On August 30, 2004 NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw anchor Brokaw repeated as fact retired Rear Admiral William L. Schachte Jr.'s claim that he was the commander on the December 2, 1968, mission for which the U.S. Navy awarded Senator John Kerry (D-MA) his first Purple Heart. According to Schachte, Kerry did not deserve the award.

During MSNBC's live coverage of the Republican National Convention, Brokaw asked Douglas Brinkley (author of Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War) the following:

BROKAW: Just this past week, a man who was an admiral, Schachte, who was his commander on the first mission which he went in for a Purple Heart, says, "He really doesn't deserve it, it was blowback from an RPG . I said he shouldn't get it, his commander at the time said he shouldn't get it, and it took three months to get it." Have you looked into that?

In fact, Schachte's role in the December 2, 1968, mission leading to Kerry's first Purple Heart is the subject of considerable dispute. Responding to Brokaw's question, Brinkley noted that "the three men that were on the Boston Whaler with him all have the same story . And that's a man named Runyon, Kerry, and Zaladonis."

Indeed, as Media Matters for America has noted, mounting evidence contradicts Schachte's claim that he was the commander on Kerry's boat for the mission in question. Even Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's own website contradicts Schachte's claim that he was on the boat that night. And syndicated columnist, CNN Crossfire co-host, and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth backer Robert Novak has conceded that Runyon and Zaladonis were "certain that they alone were in the boat with Kerry and did not even know Schachte."
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:04 PM
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36. Whats curious to me ...

What is curious to me is all the thug spinmeisters now seem to be going for McCain's "surge" and annointing him as heir apparent. What none of them will remember is that they harshly criticized Kerry two years ago for having EXACTLY the same plan at a time when it might have done some good.



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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:11 PM
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37. More curious than that is how the peanut gallery empties when facts
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 01:21 PM by ariellyn
are provided--then, you don't hear a peep out of them. Of course before that, everythings "childish", "juvenile" and "black white."
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:22 PM
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39. Even more curious- how does this even remotely make Brokaw=Limpbaugh
really- it's not even close. Get over it already. You made a statement you can't back up. deal with it.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:23 PM
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40. None are so blind as those who will not see. n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 01:25 PM by ariellyn
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:25 PM
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41. And again, can't back up your claim
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:26 PM
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42. Magical thinking and repetition won't change the facts. Sorry. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
79. Pot meet kettle
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. yeah, I got to the end
read post #234
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. I'll See Your Link And Raise You..
This blogger is saying Rather's a Democratic sock puppet...


http://newsbusters.org/node/8912
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:33 PM
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47. "Raise" me? You want to uphold Brokaw's bias by showing Dan Rather is biased? LOL
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 02:07 PM by ariellyn
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:45 PM
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57. You Implied Brokaw Was A Republican Sock Puppet
That site is claiming he's a Democratic sock puppet...


Maybe he's just a journaliat...
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:49 PM
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58. I implied nothing and I did not provide a link. n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 03:51 PM by ariellyn
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:06 PM
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80. No, "that site" the poster is refering to is in his/her post. Here is the link again
since you seem to have missed it the first time.
This blogger is saying Rather's a Democratic sock puppet...
http://newsbusters.org/node/8912
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 02:04 PM
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52. "Raise" me?
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 02:05 PM by ariellyn
:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:27 PM
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43. He Made An Observation And Asked A Question
Isn't that what newspeople are supposed to do?
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:30 PM
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44. On edit from "LOL": I had to regroup from the reply
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 01:47 PM by ariellyn
Yes Virginia newspeople or Journalists are supposed to report facts which goes beyond asking questions and getting answers. Do they have to ask questions and get answers to get at the facts? Yes. However, they can also disinform by asking questions and getting answers without clarifying whether there are other facts that affect those questions and answers.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. I Guess Saracsm Is Better Than Cryptic Comments...
You're not making any sense...
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. This thread is about Tom Brokaw. Care to address his comments? n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:17 AM
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2. And of course he sounds drunk
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:19 AM
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6. my mom used to say this about TB.
He talks like he has a mouthful of warm sh*t.

I laugh everytime I hear him.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:17 AM
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3. Tom Blofrawd
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 11:21 AM by Algorem
was that a shot at Clinton-'he didn't need gurus or consultants,he knew who he was'?

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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:25 AM
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12. maybe reagan who consulted an astrologer
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
75. No, at Gore, when he had what'shername pick out a new wardrobe.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:18 AM
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4. He is smirky more than the Chimp
What is this a Wake
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:19 AM
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5. Sorry, but the comparison doesn't work without something specific.
There are so few parallels between Brokaw and Limbaugh, I find it hard to believe you are serious about this.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:20 AM
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7. Well I enjoyed the eulogy he gave.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:21 AM
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8. It was enjoyable if you like
fairy tales.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:21 AM
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9. ... and *magic* n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:30 AM
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13. Oh, I get it. Brokaw took the opportunity to honor a dead president...
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 11:31 AM by Buzz Clik
... by saying nice things. You'd prefer he fill the air with insults and innuendo and speak of "evil deeds", "sociopathic behavior" and "unforgivable sins."

Instead, he showed dignity and respect, so now he's Rush Limbaugh.

Bullshit.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:32 AM
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14. Evidently They Had A Personal Relationship That Spanned Many Decades
I'd bet even money that Brokaw voted for Carter in the 1976 election but it's possible to like someone whose ideology is different from our own... If not we're fucked...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:34 AM
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16. Well put. The sooner we put this juvenile crap behind us the better.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:36 AM
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18. If you are a fan of Brokaw fine, but that I am not does not make me "juvenile"
Name calling, however, is juvenile.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:39 AM
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21. Did we hurt your feelings?
Identifying and classifying behavior is hardly "name calling." If you're going to engage in childish habits, I find no compulsion to hesitate in pointing it out.

And for the record, equating Brokaw to Limbaugh is quite literally name calling, and, I agree: name calling is juvenile.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:41 AM
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23. You say that name calling is juvenile
And yet you started this thread by calling Tom Brokaw names. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get the point of this thread.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:33 PM
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34. "I just don't get the point of this thread..."
And, despite a number of requests to clarify, we were left to our imaginations.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
83. it gets confusing, doesn't it?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #18
82. You mean like the PM you sent me?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. are you going to share?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. Yeah, I think the OP is a-beggin' for it.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. Why of COURSE darlink!
Ain't this SWEET?


========================================
You are a real fucking idiot aren't you?
From: ariellyn
Date: Jan-02-07 02:38 PM
nt
========================================

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. Thanks, quite nice. nt
I lied, here is more text.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
94. name calling?
isn't calling someone equivalent to Rush Limbaugh 'name calling' as you put it? and, correct me if I am wrong here, but you started this thread, right? so who started the name calling?

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. At The Final Burial In Michigan JImmy Carter Is Delivering The Eulogy...
I had a DUer tell me that Carter's affection for Ford was feigned and perfunctory...



For this new year I'm trying to wring all the hate out of my body...
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. I agree.
We are talking about a eulogy here. What was he supposed to say?

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
106. he was SUPPOSED to say
nothing about Jerry Ford and everything about how evil George Bush is. appropriate, you know, to use the funeral of a republican president to mock another republican president.

anything else is republican shilling.

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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:39 PM
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112. This thread is no more about Brokaw's eulogy that your post is about making sense.
It doesn't matter that he delivered a eulogy today. That is not a topic that I presented or have addressed here. This thread is about Tom Brokaw's bias. Period.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #112
117. What about his bias?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:33 AM
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15. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. 1 or 0
That is the choice. Black white. Honor the president or spit on his grave.

Does not compute. binary logic module disabled.

Bullshit indeed.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
22. In your own way, you have supported my argument.
Many thanks.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #17
25. I Oppose Binary Logic
But like Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."


Is it impossible to entertain the notion that people of different ideologies can genuinely like one another?

Ford call Brokaw about a year ago and asked him to deliver the eulogy...



Sometimes I get carried away here and call Republicans Pukes and GOPuers but on days like this I realize how wrong it is....


I can't let my dislike for Bush turn me into a hater...
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:03 PM
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30. "Black white" = "With us or against us" .... Hmmmmm n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. No, I just enjoyed it.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:44 AM
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24. My fave Brokaw quote on Iraq:
“we don't want to destroy the infrastructure of Iraq, because in a few days we are going to own that country.”

May you never forget it.
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JacksonWest Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
132. Right. What's your take on that statement?
Oh. Never mind. He is saying that we should invade the country just to own it. Makes sense. It's not about our responsibility after disrupting the country to remove Saddam. Brokaw is saying we should invade them to get the oil.

COntext is everything. Usually.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:57 AM
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28. It's sterling intellectual discourse such as this, so rife with logic . . .
that makes me realize how wholly unprepared I am to participate in the debates on these boards, especially when they're conducted at such a level.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:01 PM
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29. this is one of those posts that everyone complains about
No context. Not everyone is watching TV right now.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 12:04 PM
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31. Brokaw Had The Temeity To Deliver A Glowing Eulogy
eom
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:22 PM
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38. What a load.
yawn.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #38
50. Wonder when we'll get a link to click on for
Worst Threads and can recommend them the way we do Greatest Threads?

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:33 PM
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67. See post 345.87
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:45 PM
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49. See POST #194. n/t.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:44 PM
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119. Will we make it?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:45 PM
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121. trying
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:58 PM
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51. I love Tom Brokaw.
He can speak at MY funeral anytime.

A lifetime NBC Nightly News watcher (I go back to the Chet-n-David days, at least), I stopped watching that news when Brokaw left (and they replaced him with that SMUG-ASS Brian Williams).

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 02:13 PM
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 02:14 PM
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54. Hmmm, I saw his comment about Ford not feeling that the press
was the enemy a direct slap at both Nixon and Bush.

Not sure how Limbaughesque that was.:eyes:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:03 PM
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55. Last I saw Brokaw, he was shilling for GOP while moderating a Dem debate
in the primaries 2003. It was disgusting enough to keep me away - so I don't care what he said lately. he is indeed a shill.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 03:05 PM
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56. Yes and many here are vehemently defending him. Wonder why. n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:04 PM
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59. See post #64.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:11 PM
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61. Circular logic? n/t
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. See post #23-B
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:09 PM
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60. Brokaw is just more sophisticated with his propaganda
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 05:10 PM by Jcrowley
Bush could not have done it alone with a little megaphone on the steps of the White House. People would not have believed what he was saying. He needed the entire media apparatus to echo what he said and that's exactly what they did. I mean you take one example, in addition to the weapons of mass destruction, just the Pentagon's name for the invasion, Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Now the Pentagon names it, you know that they research the most effective, propagandistic name, but the media is not supposed to take that name and name their own coverage with that, but that's exactly what they did — NBC, MSNBC, CNN — called it Operation Iraqi Freedom. (Actually the Pentagon had come up with a name before Operation Iraqi Freedom — they had come up with Operation Iraqi Liberation, but they realized the acronym was O.I.L, and so they had to come up with something else.)

So the name of the coverage was that (Operation Iraqi Freedom), and when you have something like that, when you have Dan Rather the night of the invasion, the night the bombs began to fall, saying "Good morning, Baghdad," you have Tom Brokaw saying the night the bombs are falling, you know March 19, 2003, "We don't want to destroy the infrastructure of Iraq because we're going to own that country in a few days," you have to ask if we had state media in the United States how would it be any different?

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21250 /

Discovery Channel feature on climate change, host Tom Brokaw failed to present the contrarian case. Little says, "... the fact is the program did not show anyone with proper scientific credentials to express an opposing viewpoint. That's not balance. That's propaganda."

http://www.desmogblog.com/when-balanced-journalism-is-anything-but-balanced
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:21 PM
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63. See post # 37.8
Then search google for "Warm Apple Tart Recipe"

Take the recipe, have it translated in to Greek, then translate into French then back to English.

Yeah, well. You'll see what I mean.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. See post #84.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #63
86. I find
Portuguese translations back and forth to be quite fun also.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #86
96. and then play it back wards.
It's a real treat.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:28 PM
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65. Ummm ... horseshit.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:30 PM
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66. See reply #85
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:41 PM
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69. !


2 aspirins please....:+
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. I'm busy translating reply #72X from the original Greek.
I'll get back to you.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Check your PM
Some insight.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. Got it. Thanks.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:44 PM
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70. Sometimes This Board Is As Rigid As Free Republic But In The Opposite Direction.
As soon as someone strays from what is perceived to be the DU party line they become an enemy combatant...

"You're either with us or with the Republicans."


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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #70
73. And you are here to express what point of view in this particular thread?
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 05:54 PM by ariellyn
You have managed to contribute nothing--you have challenged me to prove that Dan Rather is equally as biased as Tom Brokaw. You have misinterpreted my posts and made assumptions that are unfounded and now you are back with more generalities that address...what???
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:00 PM
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76. Without referring to any of your previous posts;
It seems as though many DU folks see things in terms of "100% Agree" or "You're a 'real fucking idiot'". You see, this type of "logic" doesn't work in the real world. As soon as the "leftier than thou" card gets played, I usually write off someone as not being worth my energy.

We can agree on 99% of the issues, but as soon as someone crosses that sacred 1%, then they're instantly persona non grata to some people here.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #76
85. My intent was not a with-me-or-against me thread, I was pointing
out my opinion that Tom Brokaw is a media shill. Could I have titled this post that way? Yes. Would it have gotten responses? Doubt it. Part of posting here is finding creative ways to interest people in what you are interested in.

Unfortunately, with DU, you can't predict what people will respond to or, that if they respond it will be favorable. Who knew a Tom Brokaw thread would rank up there with a Hillary thread? Sheesh. Tom Brokaw is now officially flamebait for some mysterious reason. Whatever. It's all part of the territory that is DU.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #85
161. So, you're exaggerating and overstating to get attention?
Well done. Mission accomplished. Hooray for you!
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #161
164. And you came here to cheer me on. Gee thanks.
:sarcasm:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:38 PM
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168. You're welcome.
I notice that you didn't refute the point about exaggerating in order to get attention. Well...you got some attention. Congrats. Feel better?

Oh! If you need to use the "sarcasm smiley" to convey sarcasm, then you're not doing it right. Real sarcasm is evident to most people who have an IQ higher than that of a potato.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:43 PM
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:52 PM
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176. You're sweet.
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:56 PM by Blue-Jay
At least I'm pretty. I'm a pretty pretty princess.

Note: You're not very good at condescension, either.

Edit: You still didn't admit that you were overstating your original point in order to get attention. There's a word for that kind of behavior on the internet tubes..... I can't remember what it's called... Elfing?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:53 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:04 PM
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:11 PM
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87. Ahhh just fire off a PM and tell 'em off real good!
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 06:13 PM by ronnykmarshall
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:41 PM
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113. LOL!
You write one of the most vapid, lazy ass OPs to ever grace our fair DU and YOU bitch about someone else contributing nothing? Talk about an inability to deal with reality.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:43 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:45 PM
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122. OK, now THAT is a personal insult.
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:20 PM by uppityperson
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:38 PM
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167. Can you really be
confused? I never claimed to be a saint, or not to be passionate- in fact I pointed out that I often don't live up to Mr. Yeats wise words. But as a matter of fact, no I'm not passionate about this exchange; my sin is worse than blind passion, I'm simply enjoying pointing out your absurdities. Petty of me really to amuse myself in such a way. And certainly not enlightened. But then I never laid claim to that state either.

Good night and good luck.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:42 PM
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. The problem with hyperbole used carelessly
is that it often ends up accomplishing the exact opposite
of what was intended.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:06 PM
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81. Brokaw: "We don't want to destroy the infrastructure of Iraq ---
--- because in a few days we are going to own that country."
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:13 PM
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90. Brokaw was a shill for the Republican party for years
He was one of those who CONSTANTLY whored for Reagan (and his policies) in the 1980's. I've heard the man get up and repeat bald faced lies- as well as run cover for all sorts of egregious right wing policies.

I'd say he was even more insidious than Limbaugh, in the same way that CNN is more insidious than Fox.

All this long before it was the norm in the MSM.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. And yet, I am being attacked by people at DU who support Brokaw
What's that all about?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. It's not about Brokaw, it's about you.
What you have here is a failure to communicate.
Live & learn. Or not.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. We aren't here to discuss me. Care to discuss Brokaw? Or not? nt
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:31 PM
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100. "We aren't here to discuss me."
Sure we are. You still dont get it. I doubt that there are two fans of Brokaw in this whole thread. Unless youve created them. Youre much more informative and entertaining than Brokaw.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. Nothing of substance to add I see. This will be my last response to you.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. Promise, promises.
It's rough when all your good intentions go bad.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. Oh just call him a "real fucking idiot"
that'll take care of it.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #101
108. Maybe he simply doesnt know what = means. Hint:
equals.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. And don't send me any more hysterical PMs unless you want them posted.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. Post it. Please. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #102
107. He/she/it told you to.
sigh
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #102
109. Woo HOO!
:toast:

POWER TO THE RFI's!!!!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. I will. To start, when did Brokaw promote the Repub agenda like Limbaugh does?
nt eom
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #99
111. If you want to discuss Brokaw, the burden is on you to provide a compelling argument against him
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 06:40 PM by brentspeak
Simply telling other posters to "do a search on him" or "read the link provided in post #11" doesn't do it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. That is a really annoying non-productive discussion technique.
post a heavily opinionated opinion, then tell others to research it and prove your opinion wrong while sending insulting pms. I never get these pms though. sniff. no one loves me.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #111
116. My arguments appear within this post/thread. You're late but if you
care to know what they are, feel free to read and address them.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #116
120. I have read the thread and am confused since I can't find what you mean.
Could you simply, easily, quickly just restate them so we start off at the same point with the same information. "read elsewhere" I might be picking up on other things than what you mean. Simple, fast, easy....Now it is your turn.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:46 PM
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #123
124. So you want to discuss but want me to guess what you are saying?
oh dear. You know that it would take less time to simply state your opinion than to do this. Hey, are you my ex?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:50 PM
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:41 PM
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115. It's gotta be tick-tock tick-tock on this thread.
Mucho enlightenment.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #115
125. The PM's !!!
Post the PM's QUICK!!

Come on you RFI!!! Get off your ass!
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. Gee RFI's thanks for helping me to my thousandth post. n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #126
131. And now we know the rest of the story.
It was all about the 1000th.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. then no one will notice the skirting.
familiar technique, you know?
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #133
134. You should know. Professional skirter that you are. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. just checked mine again, nothing.
did you see where poster won't tell me what poster thinks because that would be doing my work for me, but I am supposed to discuss it with them anyway?
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #127
135. You are supposed to move on like you did with your "ex." nt
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #127
139. If you find this thread/debate so non-productive
why are you still posting :shrug:?

So all the huffing about how posts like this waste time and are a bad debate technique etc. aren't really true are they-seeing as you have lots of posts in this thread?
How come you aren't posting in all the important, "well-written" threads :shrug:? Or are you just looking for a fight and like sneering at other people.

Strange how all the people dissing this thread are spending so much time on it-instead of going and providing their "valuable" input to the threads more worthy of their own wonderful selves :eyes:.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. Amen Reterr. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #139
145. welcome to DU Reterr
Since OP does not want to discuss but just to insult anyone asking for clarification, most of us have left. As far as eye rolling, well, I am hoping your time here is worthwhile. And yes, this is a recognized debating technique. Post a strongly worded opinion, then attack anyone who does not agree, and in the meantime do not clarify anything except to say "elsewhere". It is a recognized technique which is annoying and sucks some of us in for a bit, and hopefully will be done with.

Strange how first you ask if I am sneering, missing the bits where I politely ask for clarification, then sneer yourself "worthy of their own wonderful selves" :eyeroll: This is another technique, which is also annoying.

Peace to you, hope your time here is spent well.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #145
149. "politely"...HAH! Your condescension is apparent to others as I
am sure it was to your "ex."
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #149
152. posts #152, #128
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:32 PM by uppityperson
I start polite and respond in kind to how I am treated.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #145
166. Thanks for the welcome
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:38 PM by Reterr
However I disagree that your first post was polite. Your first post as far as I can tell is "pot meet kettle". As for annoying techniques, arguably it is pretty annoying too when people here start posting about how stupid a thread is and then keep spending time on it. This is a message board with some great posts but lets not kid ourselves. There is lots of fluff on here and many of those objecting to it in one thread, contribute to it in another. So its a bit hypocritical to get huffy about that kinda stuff imo.

There are lots of stupid threads on DU (I have been lurking since late 2003), but some of the more "centrist" posters on here only seem to object to a very specific kind of "stupid"...

Thanks for your delicate suggestion that I will be tombstoned-nothing quite like welcoming someone while hinting they will be tombstoned eh ;).
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #166
169. At last some substance in this thread!
If a tad paranoid.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #166
171. jfc I do not "delicate suggest". I was welcoming you and hoping your stay be worthwhile,
that you can listen, discuss, learn, pass on your knowledge. Believe me, I do not delicately suggest someone get TSed. I am simply welcoming you and hoping you have a good productive stay here since No One stays forever and this place will not be around forever. Got it? Welcome, hope you have a good productive stay and hoping for peace for you and all.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #171
174. Your condescension is showing. n/t
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:49 PM
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128.  A little transitive relation math here...
Given Tom Brokaw=Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh=* and *=Hitler, (all comparisons I have seen on DU) then Tom Brokaw=Hitler.
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. mmmmKayyy.
:eyes:
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
136. ONE MORE FROM THE RFI'S. = 1000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #136
142. Congratulations. This is your thread. The one youll be remembered for.
Youre a hoot.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:18 PM
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144. If only I had thunk up "Goodbye Daddy" ...
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:00 PM
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137. He isn't like Limbaugh-at least Limbaugh doesn't claim to be a journalist.nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:03 PM
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138. Deleted message
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:10 PM
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141. No
there's still one left.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:20 PM
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146. heh & you are on the greatest page now.nt
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:27 PM
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154. What's a RFI?
?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:30 PM
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162. here
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:33 PM
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163. I figured that was the thread. But the acronym is a mystery
still wondering
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:34 PM
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165. here
"real f*ing idiot"
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:44 PM
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173. Thanks. I'm dense.
Someone doesn't play well with others, do they.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:49 PM
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175. no problem, happy new yr
and hoping for a better yr this yr
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:22 PM
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148. Mods, please let this go to 194. I got $ riding on it.
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:27 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
I got a bet with Brokaw.
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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:25 PM
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150. are we there yet??
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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:25 PM
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151. are we there yet??
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:27 PM
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153. did I make it?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:28 PM
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155. ok, now can lock it
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:29 PM
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158. We did.
I just won $.02. So I broke even.
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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:29 PM
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159. Think so
:)
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:28 PM
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156. Brokaw always talks like there is a burp
waiting in the wings.... :rofl:
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:29 PM
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160. Just like a blowhard, stick him with a pin and he'd deflate.
:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:28 PM
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157. Deleted sub-thread
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:56 PM
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178. Locking.
Sorry, we need a sec to find a discussion among all this to try and keep it open.
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