Was It Bush That Gave The Order To Turn Him Over?

[Solomon]

I've heard people say that Saddam was in US custody even after his trial. Was he in US custody all the way to when he was handed over to the executioners?

If so, the only person I can see who would make that decision is Bush. I can't imagine he would delegate that decision.

[MadMaddie]

1. He had a stiffee...when he did....he was gleeful....

He is a sociopath...and I am sure he watched the hanging....no doubt in my mind...

[waiting for hope]

2. SCHWING!

[madokie]

5. I would bet money on him having a direct feed

[TomInTib]

3. I believe that it must have been bush

No military person is going to give the go-ahead to a transfer of custody of a condemned Head of State.

[dave_p]

4. Yes

They had standing instructions to hand him over as demanded during the trial and for execution of the sentence following its end - in between his appearances at that farce and shortly before his murder, he was in US custody.

I'm sure that arrangement had been decided at the top long ago, I'd guess in 2004 as "sovereignty" was being worked out. I doubt that anyone on the ground had any authority to say no. This whole occupation's been run from Washington. The neocons just can't trust Americans, y'see.

[Solomon]

6. No no no.I'm not buying that automatic shit. If he was in US custody

then somebody gave an order to turn him over.

[MadMaddie]

7. Agreed..and that very act could be prosecuted by the Hague...

Don't get me wrong....I think Saddam should have prosecuted and if found guilty...sufferred the sentence given down by the Hague...

* fucked this up and now that the cell phone recording of the taunting and actual hanging are out....Saddam is a martyr....

Can someone tell me why they would hang him at the beginning of a religious holiday in the Middle East...when religious fervor is at one of it's highest points?

Purely incompetent......purely criminal....

[Solomon]

10. It must have been done on purpose, the religious thing, because they

talked about it before hand.

[dave_p]

19. No! Again

You don't have to phone the order at the last moment. You can lay down the command years in advance. The crime was committed well before the killing. The "trial" itself was an affront to any notion of justice duly arrived at. But it was convenient to the fiction of a stooge Iraqi regime "sovereign" in all but practice.

Illusion vs. Reality: that's the whole issue. The neocon agenda was always to introduce us to a world where reality itself was un-American, worse than unthinkable.

How many fingers am I holding up? Of course, it doesn't matter.

[Solomon]

20. And no again. I'm not buying that automatic shit. Now you've expanded

itinto "years in advance". What horseshit. I guess they also decided years ago it would be done on an american base.

[dave_p]

22. 2004

He was transferred to "Iraqi" legal custody on 30 June 2004 (the original date for "sovereignty" before it was rushed forward), while remaining in US military custody. So from then on, the US effectively determined that the Iraqis could do whatever they liked with him, but he'd remain a US prisoner until the final handover. I don't know when the trial and sentence arrangements were finalized, but US officials on the ground would still be bound by that political decisison.

The "Tribunal" itself was set up in December 2003, under the formal occupation. I think the broad policy was pretty much mapped out at top level well in advance. It's got "Made in Washington" written all over it. It suited the Administration to claim it was an Iraqi case. From that fiction, the rest follows.

[Solomon]

8. If it was Bush, then how can they now claim they tried to stop it?

What horseshit they are shoveling.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. We knew he was transfered Thursday night...

even though up until the hanging on Friday there were conflicting reports about who's custody he was in.

Once again, DU knew first.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2993866

[michaz]

11. Joe Scarborough just said that

he was hung on an American Base. Oh Boy!

[dogindia]

12. that is why I spent the whole day trying to stop this stupidity...I spent

hours on DU. Called WH... Call stupid brother's office. I was not so much to save SH but to get it through their stupid heads that Love and Compassion is the only way to run a World. I know I wasted my time. I know I was naive. But I tried. It was not about SH. It was about this f...ing country which sadly I have not given up on but..... thanks to all the folks who posted saying they too did not believe in capital punishment.

What a shocking event. It was fast. And you knew that GWB (or his folks....VP etc) were calling the shots.

[Sydnie]

13. Even worse

The gallows that they used to hang him were at a US base in Iraq. We barely handed him over because they were still on our instillation when they "carried out his sentence" (or what ever you want to call it). The whole thing just stinks too much NOT to be investigated by someone who will actually tell us the truth about what took place over there.

[Solomon]

14. So just like (fill in the blank) we basically hired thugs to do the job.

[Rene]

15. hussein had to be silenced before the Dems take control of

Congress and begin hearings. He knew too much about Poppy and Baby bush. They'd not risk him telling info at all....especially about the gassing of the Kurds....i.e. who ACTUALLY did it.

[MadMaddie]

16. Saddam might of been another sociopath like * but he wasn't

stupid....I gotta feeling he will be talking from the grave....there were other people that were there and they will talk eventually....

[kentuck]

17. Of course.

You know he did.

[Solomon]

18. It had to be him. That's why I'm saying they shouldn't even try to lie

about trying to stop it. Now that the thing has backfired they pretend that they had no hand in it.

[kentuck]

21. It will come out...

this truth cannot stay concealed.