In light of Bush's upcoming "Sacrifice" speech, I've reconsidered my stance on impeachment

[derby378]

At first, I was willing to give the Democrats a chance to hold investigations on the Hill and see where they led.

Thanks in no small part to the BBC's revelation that George W. Bush will not only ignore the American people and the Iraq Study Group but instead send an additional 20,000 soldiers to Iraq in the name of "sacrifice," I can safely say that my patience has now been exhausted.

If El Diablo follows through with this, we have no time for investigations - especially when the Chief Executive has given us the very rope to hang him with. We must impeach, and we must impeach before yet another thousand American troops are slaughtered for no good reason and another thousand American families are shattered.

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. Personally I never changed my opinion

I knew right after Joe Wilson's article came out that Dubya needs to be impeached. And convicted. And sent to the Hague.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/2332375

[derby378]

6. The Hague is too good for him

He needs to be tried by a jury of his peers - Americans, not a bunch of strangers.

[babylonsister]

2. Just say 'no'!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3038178&mesg_id=3038178

I'm done, too. I was trying to be patient, wait for investigations, but he's going too far, using humans for his ego.
I really think Dems should stop the funding; that would get everyone's attention.

[durtee librul]

7. he'd just print more money

and screw everything up even more.

He don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. I think impeachment is too good for him. I think a nice hard cot in the Hague with a public trial... can't say what I want, but you can about guess.

He is so f'd up he has no clue anymore what's real and what's not and he thinks he has 2 more years left to do what he wants regardless of what anyone says.

Any stoopid repuke who aligned themselves with this clown can toss any political career they were ever even considering as I think the public will have plenty of memory for this ijut.

[originalpckelly]

20. Yep. I had this lingering suspicion that maybe they were right...

and Iraq was a failure of American resolve, and that maybe the troops really did think Iraq was going well. That we were just playing into the hands of the "enemy". Or even that the media was playing up the violence. Or that we were somehow responsible. I was just uncertain in general. I didn't have confidence, because maybe the troops did support the war or think it was going well.

The Military Times poll eliminated that doubt or suspicion, however little there was in my head.

[QMPMom]

3. Then he damn well better be ready to sacrifice Jenna and Barbara.

Sign their POTUS Daughters Gone Wild asses up for the military and send them over to Iraq on the next plane. The most violent region, please. Without Secret Service babysitters.

[HockeyMom]

4. Sacrifice HIS Blood?

Send Jenna and Barbara over there? No, I don't think so.

[Democrats_win]

5. Why do I feel that 100% of America feels the same way? "Sacrifice" will peg the BS meters.

[jedr]

8. Your opinion is shared by many, not just on the left, but centrists.

and those on the right also. The man has no credibility left ,and all but the most ignorant have seen the light. I truly hope that this speech seals his fate and by this time next year we have a different President.:patriot:

[derby378]

9. That would be wonderful

Cheney, with his weak heart, would be the ultimate "lame duck" President, too worn down to square off against a Democratic Congress.

[jedr]

11. Cheney has no heart, just a shriveled-up black mass of hate! N/T

[bdamomma]

26. Cheney ass needs to be thrown out, hasn't he made enough money

geez, get these maniacs out of office, now, we all know we are dealing with some sick bastards, I am tired of being ignored.

[Generic Brad]

10. This is where the "first 100 hours" strategy makes sense

Get the legislative business out of the way in the first 100 hours and then proceed to build either an impeachment or war crimes case. I sincerely hope that is what the Democratic leadership is leading up to.

[derby378]

13. I just hope Reid and Pelosi are paying attention...

They need to shut this turkey down once and for all when they assume control on Thursday.

[bobbolink]

19. Here's how to "encourage" them to do just that!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3024813

[derby378]

35. That's a damn good idea - thanks!

:hi:

[bobbolink]

36. You're very welcome, derby378! And, you can enlist a few of your friends,

also. :)

The more the merrier. :hi:

Write on!! ~~chortle~~

[sammythecat]

25. That would be so satisfying,

to see them do that. I'm pessimistic about that though. It would seem so good as to be unbelievable.

Btw, I like your epitaph

[madokie]

12. for the Iraqi who are dying by the truck load each and every day

[lapfog_1]

14. Yes, I've changed my mind as well

I was for investigation and then impeachment. And for those who said Congress should cut off funding for the military , I opined that this would not be a wise move for the democrats. But after listening to what Bush is now planning, and to KO's comment tonight, the Dems must move to stop this madman. I have also become convinced that Bush is removing any competent authority that doesn't go along with his plans in the Pentagon. That is very dangerous, as a military coup in this country could be coming.

Congress must vote to rescind the war resolution AND vote to cut off funding. All funding. Congress must make it clear to the military that they must obey the new funding restriction and not "find money elsewhere" to continue the Iraq misadventure. I'm certain that these moves will trigger a new constitutional crises... and all will rest with the Supreme Court and our military.

[don954]

15. its almost like he is trying to force us to do it

you know?

[bdamomma]

27. this little man can be controlled or he will keep on doing what he

is doing, his abuse of power must be stripped away from him. Enough is enough now, 3,003 people are enough, between this war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina victims and 9/11 victims, he has killed enough Americans. Enough is enough.

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. How exactly will impeaching him stop him from sending more troops?

He will still be Commander-in-Chief.

[dave_p]

23. Not if he's impeached, he won't

... but stopping the funding in the meantime will do that.

But no amount of legislation will reverse the Executive foreign policy that's led to this disaster.

America needs to be taken back and restored to a path of sanity. And it can't wait till 2009.

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. Clinton was still Commander-in-Chief when he was impeached

[pnwmom]

33. Impeachment alone will have NO effect on his powers.

Impeachment in the House is equivalent to an indictment. If he is impeached, there would be a trial in the Senate. In order for him to be ousted from office, there would have to be a 2/3 vote for conviction in the Senate. We're nowhere near that point now, with a bare majority.

[dave_p]

37. Point taken

Yes indeed, and that's why I wasn't so keen on making impeachment an immediate issue in the past.

Now I don't even know if that 2/3 is insurmountable. It'd depend on the case and how it could be presented and argued. It'd take a truly seismic shift in US politics, but so will achieving the turnaround that's needed to restore the nation's direction to one of reason.

I think the evidence of betrayal's there aplenty. I agree it's a tall order, but many Democrats seem up to the task. They need to convince the waverers, but I think it would be tragic to lose the groundswell that's building. It seems worth the effort.

[Imagevision]

38. 60 votes will get Bush impeached, I believe we can pick up 10-12 from repugs

[bobbolink]

17. Then, please, I invite you to send a letter to Pelosi!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3024813

Thanks! :hi:

[caligirl]

18. Time to handcuff Bush's war powers Jan 4 start turning back his powers

before anything else can go wrong. Impeachment isn't likely. Pass a law that will require withdrawal of troops, do something. Dems will get repug support for stopping an escalation and bringing Bush under control, their own folks bakc home want this war ended now.

[lonestarnot]

21. Back at cha!

:toast: You have described my feelings with perfection. :beer:

[dave_p]

22. Me too

I was for focused investigations to build the case beforehand.

But there just isn't the time. There'll be initial outrage. But the evidence will do the work.

These people are insane. Their vision is only of blood and terror. They have to be stopped now.

[Tatiana]

24. As H20Man and others here have stated, the war will not end until Bush is removed from office.

Once everyone understands that salient point, impeachment becomes the only logical course of action we have left to prevent further bloodshed.

Bush will not change his opinion with respect to an Iraq withdrawal, even knowing it is the will of people. His actions following the Iraq Study Group's recommendations illustrate that.

Even Congress refusing to fund the war will not hasten a withdrawal from Iraq. Keith Olbermann sucinctly explained in his special comment tonight how Bush would find the money elsewhere to keep up the disastrous invasion.

The only options left are waiting until the next election, hoping that it isn't stolen again, and that someone with common sense will take office. In the meantime, how many more thousands of American troops and Iraqi civilians would we be willing to "sacrifice?"

We need to have a national debate on impeachment.

[Disturbed]

28. The IWR must be nullified because of the WMD lie.

Cut the fudning for more Troops. Next Busholini must be Impeached. After that Cheney must be Impeached. That shouldn't be too difficult as he has a 15% Approval Rating.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. I have always favored impeachment

and as soon as possible.

[pnwmom]

31. Do you realize that he'll still be in office if we impeach?

Unless he's actually convicted by a 2/3 majority in the Senate?

What will we have accomplished if all we can do is impeach him? I think we'd be better off fighting his policy on Iraq, not wasting time on an immediate impeachment that has no chance of resulting in conviction.

If investigations cause him to lose significant support among Republicans, thus making a conviction in the Senate a real possibility, then that would be the time to work for impeachment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. You cannot convict without evidence

that said, we must be raedy to take to the streets, en masse

[radfringe]

34. bush should sent example of sacrifice

and send his daughters to Iraq