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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:07 AM
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Plamemania Countdown: 13 Days
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/01/plamemania_coun.html

January 01, 2007
Plamemania Countdown: 15 Days
by emptywheel

Jeff and I have been exchanging a bit of neurotic Plame email this January 1, just 15 days short of Scooter Libby's trial. And I think we might be closing in on some outstanding questions. (Normal caveats about speculation definitely apply--and a warning--these weeds are as deep as they get.)

First some background. Jeff and I were emailing about how the report on Wilson's trip might be used. And Jeff had a great find--this passage from a May 19 Fitzgerald response to Libby's motion to compel discovery.

The defendant has identified as potential defense witnesses Richard Armitage, Stephen Hadley, Bill Harlow, Colin Powell, Karl Rove, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Wilson and seeks documents from “the files of these witnesses – and others – that relate to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger” on the ground that they may aid in preparing to examine these witnesses. The government has produced to defendant all documents received from the Office of the Vice President relating to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger, and all documents received from any source relating to conversations, correspondence, or meetings in which defendant was involved, or which relate to the defendant’s inquiries regarding former Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger. Rsp. 8. Moreover, the government has gone beyond its obligations under Rule 16 to produce some additional materials from the OVP, CIA and the State Department that relate generally to Mr. Wilson’s trip. Id.; 5/5/06 Tr. 49.

Basically, Libby is trying to get documents from people like Marc Grossman and Richard Armitage and others relating to Wilson's trip so he can claim they have reason to fear prosecution. But Fitzgerald is saying he will only give documents relating to conversations in which Libby was involved, since the trial is about Libby's alleged perjury, not Armitage's alleged leaking. He's not going to give all of Grossman's and Armitage's materials. But then there's that reference to a section of the May 5 court transcript, which implies the cited passage deals with additional materials from OVP, CIA, or State. Here's the passage with my commentary:

THE COURT: In reference to, and I have tried to map this out in my mind as to how we deal with this issue regarding the various witnesses. It would seem to me, and I think from my point of view is the easiest. If there are individuals who the government has documentation on and those individuals had discussions with Mr. Libby or Mr. Libby had discussions with them about the issue of Mr. Wilson's trip and, in specific, Mr. Wilson's wife, and those individuals also spoke to the press about this issue and the government intends to call as a witness, is the government taking the position that if we have somebody who fits in that category that the government would not have an obligation to produce documentation related to such individual? This is an individual who talked to Mr. Libby about this whole issue, also made a statement to the press about this issue, and the government intends to call as a witness to testify during this trial.

In this passage, Walton describes someone whose materials Libby's team still wants. The person:

Discussed Wilson's trip--and Plame--with Libby
Made a statement to the press about Wilson's trip
Is a government witness
Note, if Walton has his details straight, this passage could refer to Cathie Martin (whom Libby's own testimony describes as taking the lead on responding to the press before the July 12 Air Force 2 meeting) and Ari Fleischer (we know they spoke on July 7). But if it refers to Grossman, it means Grossman made a statement to the press that we haven't heard of. That is--either Walton is confused, Grossman spoke to the press, or this doesn't refer to Grossman).

more.....http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/01/plamemania_coun.html

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:17 AM
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1. Martin and Fleischer
are both going to be targets of Team Libby.

Martin was employed as VP Cheney's press person. That was her job. On the AF2 trip where Dick and Scooter planned what the OVP's response to the media would be, a decision was made to have Scooter -- rather than Martin -- handle certain reporters. The significance is obvious.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:30 AM
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2. Are you saying that Libby wants these other people exposed
as a "see, others leaked too" defense? Emptywheel says, "Basically, Libby is trying to get documents from people like Marc Grossman and Richard Armitage and others relating to Wilson's trip so he can claim they have reason to fear prosecution." I don't understand this statement.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:43 AM
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4. One of the things
that Team Libby put into one of their most recent filings is that they want to be able to tell the jury that some unnamed people had reason to believe they were at risk of being charged by Mr. Fitzgerald, and that their testimony is "suspect" because of this. I suspect that is what "Emptywheel" would be speaking about. I'm not sure what if any significant role Mr. Armitage might play in the trial. I would think that Marc Grossman, along with Martin and Fleischer, will be very, very important.

I had wrote about the Libby filing a little while ago. It may be in a December essay on my journal here. I will look there; you might find it of interest.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:49 AM
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5. From 12-23-06
(Life With the Liars)

The strategy of the Libby defense team has been taking shape this fall. A central strategy involved having a "memory expert" attempt to convince the jury that not only could a busy bee like our Scooter simply forget conversations with VP Cheney about Valerie Wilson’s CIA employment, but he might remember a conversation with Tim Russert that never took place. Sad for Scooter, Judge Walton tossed that concept out of the trial.

Next, Team Libby has listed VP Dick Cheney on the list of witnesses it plans to call in the trial, which starts in January. Those who follow the pre-trial hearings and court filings suspect that Cheney will be used in part to counter one or more of the prosecution witnesses who are or were employed by the White House in 2003. Let’s take a moment to look closer at one of the court filings that is of interest.

On November 13, Team Libby filed a 12-page document, # 179-1. It is the "Libby Response to the Government’s Motion In Limine to Preclude Evidence, Comment, and Argument Regarding the Government’s Charging Decision." In the Government’s Motion, Mr. Fitzgerald noted that the defense should not be allowed to urge the jury to acquit Libby because he is the only one charged thus far, or because he isn’t charged with leaking Plame’s identity. Team Libby notes that these factors alone are not in dispute, but raises three related issues.

The first is that they want to clarify for the jury that Libby has not been charged with leaking classified information. The second concerns information concerning possible conflicts involving other witnesses who faced possible indictment. And third, they want to draw a distinction between Libby and Bob Novak’s sources. In a future essay, we will examine their cause for concern with issue #1. We need not bother expanding upon #3, which Mr. Fitzgerald has called a "strawman," considering the criminal investigation was not restricted to Novak’s sources.

In Section II (pages 4-8), Team Libby notes: "The jury is entitled to know what the case is and is not about. …. The Court may very well provide the jurors with a similar instruction. But on this crucial point, Mr. Libby is entitled to both the Court’s dispassionate admonition and his counsel’s emphatic advocacy. ….

" The government concedes that evidence concerning its charging decisions is relevant in certain circumstances. Specifically, the government admits that ‘information relating to its discussions with prospective witnesses, for example, is relevant on the issue of the witnesses’ motivantion(s).’ … The government is absolutely correct. But the relevance of that information is not limited to situations involving an immunity agreement. In situations where a witness faced potential criminal liability, the government’s decision not to charge that witness may be just as relevant as the government’s discussion with that witness. In the same manner, the fact that a witness has not been charged, but has reason to fear he or she could be charged, is also relevant. The defense should be permitted to cross-examine witnesses at trial about whether, for example, they testified in the grand jury or gave other information to the government in a manner calculated to curry favor with prosecutors and avoid prosecution. In such circumstances, it is undoubtedly pertinent that the witness in question was never charged by the government. …

"Further, even though the defense has not yet received any Jencks material, we are aware that certain potential witnesses have admitted they gave inaccurate information to the grand jury. We are also aware, based on information provided by the government in discovery, that potential witnesses gave testimony that directly conflicts with the testimony of other potential witnesses. The fact that these witnesses have not been charged, but have reason to fear charges, is undoubtedly admissible evidence because it bears on their motives to please the prosecution, which in turn reflects possible bias."

Who exactly does Team Libby have in mind? Catherine Martin? Ari Fleischer? Dick Armitage? Judith Miller? John Hannah? David Wurmser? Or possible Karl Rove?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:01 AM
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8. The Other People Lied
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 10:04 AM by Me.
so it was all right if he lied too
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 11:58 AM
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9. thank you so much H2O ! I have a lot to brush up on before the 16th n/t
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:55 AM
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7. Miller and Fleischer
crystal ball :)
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alpizzy Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:33 AM
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3. Shameless plug for Emptywheel
The book Emptywheel has written is now available on Amazon:

Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the War and Smear a Critic by Marcy Wheeler

Marcy is a friend and great democratic activist in Ann Arbor. Please support her great blogging/reporting.

Thanks DU!
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:39 PM
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11. She'll be at firedoglake's book salon this Sunday
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/02/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-marcy-wheeler/

In one of the most amazing community projects we've ever been involved in, we started out in September to raise the money to finance the publication of a book by Marcy Wheeler on the CIA leak investigation. Thanks to the generosity of readers of this blog and others, we're thrilled that Marcy's book entitled Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the War and Smear a Critic is now done and at the printer's.

Marcy writes a bit about it here, but suffice to say it's been an incredible effort on the part of a lot of people to get this book out documenting the events that lead up to the trial which starts this January. Jury selection begins on January 16, and to say we are looking forward to this trial would be a gross understatement. Please join us this Sunday, January 7 at 2pm PT/5pm ET when Marcy Wheeler will be here to discuss her book, the case, the process she went through in writing it and what she's anticipating in the weeks and months ahead.


Should be very interesting and a great way to get prepped for the trial.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:50 AM
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6. K&R
:kick:

Tick tock, tick tock, tick . . .

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:54 PM
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10. Kick.............
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:17 PM
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12. Cathie Martin is probably the best guess.
If it's Grossman, I just don't see the defense going full-blower in getting him on the stand to take the heat to cover for Libby/OVP. Grossman knows where way too many skeletons are buried:

sibel edmonds: grossman got 911 suspects released from jail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1773633

New Sibel Edmonds movie!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2163124
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:30 PM
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13. Keep this at the top!
:kick:
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 07:05 PM
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14. OK nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:45 AM
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15. morning kick
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