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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:00 PM
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It Takes a Special Kind of Stupid
It takes a special kind of stupid to make Saddam Hussein into a sympathetic figure, but the incompetent American administration and their out-of-control Iraqi Shiite puppets may well have accomplished it.

On the Today Show this morning - yes, that most mild and sycophantic of American news outlets - even flavorless Matt Lauer and his utterly vapid co-anchor Meredith Viera were cringing at the sight of the Hussein execution. Who could blame them? Mr. Hussein was handed over to a group of leather-jacketed masked men who looked for all the world like a bunch of Russian mob guys about to rob a Canarsie jewelry store. It didn't help that the room in which the hanging took place resembled something out of Saw III; that the aforementioned thugs chanted not only obscenities at the condemned, but even the name of a man indirectly responsible for hundreds of American deaths (perhaps more than Mr. Hussein himself!); or that Mr. Hussein, crafty and possessed of a hyper Pan-Arab masculinity complex to the end, insisted on proceeding sans hood, thereby drawing on what the philosopher Emmanuel Levinas called the ethical expressivity of the face. No, none of that helped.

In Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison, his classic study of the development of modern penal thought, Michel Foucault makes a somewhat stratling claim about execution. He opens the book with the pitiable spectacle of Damiens, a regicide, executed in the old medieval way - hung, pincered, disemboweled, drawn and quartered, etc. The whole horror story. Why does this go away? Liberal thought pretends that we have progressed as a species, and that we abolished capital punishment, or moved it into secret chambers and sought painlessness, because we have the adjudicated public torture morally untenable. Foucault doesn't think so. Rather, he argues, the "spectacle of the scaffold" became an inefficient form of power. Under monarchical regimes, or "sovereign power," power is exerted through visibility, the many looking at the one, whether it be the grand spectacle of the King, or the spectacle of the condemned. But this also establishes an object to resist or identify with; and, indeed, even the regicide Damiens had the crowd on his side before he finally expired, and was burned to ash and fed to dogs. The execution disappears from public because it is inefficient: any power that shows itself is less efficient than power that operates without providing an object. This is why the modern penal system, thought to be kinder and more moral than execution, emerges. It may be kinder, but it is also a much more insidious form of power.

Back to Mr. Hussein, then. Whatever we think about execution itself (I have come out on these boards against execution in ALL cases, no exceptions), I think we have to nod to Foucault on this one. From the perspective of power, public execution is an absolutely stupid way to convey a moral message, not because it is "immoral" or any such nonsense, but because it draws sympathy to the condemned, who he or she may be. That's why it was eliminated in the first place. Any public execution of Saddam Hussein whatsoever would have produced this effect; the fact that THIS particular execution was so tawdry only heightens it. So, even on this, the administration and their Iraqi cohorts couldn't get it right. Even on this simple thing. You'd think you could kill a brutal dictator without much backlash. You'd think. It takes a special kind of stupid to get the result we got...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:03 PM
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1. No better way of putting it, A special kind of stupid, bush*=stupid
you would think we been watching the keystone kops these last 6 years except for all the blood
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:04 PM
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2. Excellent point..
excellent post..!
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 04:57 PM
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3. Well elucidated, sir
And you didn't even mention the questionable timing of the execution to coincide with the start of Eid al-Adha, by the Sunni reckoning.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:29 AM
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9. Thanks
n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 05:59 PM
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4. What I find bizarre and intriguing is in his final prayer, the last word on his lips was "Muhammad."
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"Then Saddam began reciting the "Shahada," a Muslim prayer that says there is no god but God and Muhammad is his messenger, according to an unabridged copy of the same tape, apparently shot with a camera phone and posted on a Web site.

Saddam made it to midway through his second recitation of the verse. His last word was Muhammad."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061230/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam

Ironic that in a snuff film, Saddam delivers a final message to the world that brutality was not his province alone.

I would be comfortable with his death if he had died alone and broken-spirited in prison, instead of this mockery of justice. Just goes to show, if bush has his hand in something, it's going to be FUBAR one way or another.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 06:02 PM
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5. Excuse me
what does FUBAR mean?
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 06:22 PM
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6. "fucked up beyond all/any recognition"
I didn't know either so I did a search for it. It originated in the military.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 06:34 PM
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7. thank you muchly. nt :)
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 06:46 PM
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8. Did your research uncover when FUBAR originated?
Or is this getting too far afield from the theme of this thread?

Anyway, the Saddam hanging, however badly botched, is just a side-show. It does nothing to lead us toward a peaceful solution, and doesn't seem to heat up the civil war any worse than it already was. Iraq is just a proxy battleground and we (for some unfathonable reason) have decided to help the shiites. And this on the brink of a most anti-shiite move - laying a little "shock & awe" on Iran.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:25 AM
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10. around WWII
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gilpo Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 03:41 PM
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16. Also the title of Sam Seder's book
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:36 PM
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11. Not a special kind of stupid, just Bush stupid
Do you really think Bush has any deeper thought with the hanging of Saddam than revenge for trying to kill Poppy?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:48 PM
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12. I think the whole "Poppy Revenge" story is bullshit
None of this has anything to do with Poppy Revenge, since everyone knows that the whole story about Saddam Hussein trying to kill Poppy was invented nonsense in the first place. It's a little narrative to make complex motives understandable among the simple-minded. There's no substance to it, and Bush believes it least of all.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:22 PM
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13. K&R
:kick:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 03:35 PM
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14. Eaten up with a special kind of stupid fits all key players in this administration and all its
supporters. :D
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 03:38 PM
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15. Outstanding

I enjoyed reading that, great work.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 04:02 PM
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17. thanks for the historical perspective on the death penalty
Bushco Stupid is indeed very special.

I do wish however I hadn't googled "Damiens" and then in my own specially stupid way went on to read a detailed account of how they used to conduct executions. Ick.
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