I need help answering this pile of excrement...

[Lost-in-FL]

And I need your help for a response. This one I am answering back...

Weather Bulletin - DENVER


Forward:
WEATHER BULLETIN

Up here, in the "Mile-Hi City", we just recovered from a Historic event--- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" --- with a historic blizzard of up to 44" inches of snow and winds to 90 MPH that broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of communities and cut power to 10's of thousands.

FYI:

George Bush did not come.

FEMA did nothing.

No one howled for the government.

No one blamed the government.

No one even uttered an expletive on TV.

Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.

Our Mayor did not blame Bush or anyone else.

Our Governor did not blame Bush or anyone else, either.

CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5 snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards. Nobody demanded a free bus ride to Florida. Nobody has demanded an extra square on their tax returns, either.

No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.

No one looted.

Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.

Nobody expected the government to do anything, either.

No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No Geraldo Rivera.

No Sean Penn, No Barbara Striesand, No Hollywood types to be found.

Nope, we just melted the snow for water.

Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.

The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny.

Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments delivered it to the snowbound families.

Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.

We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman lanterns.

We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die".

We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out of a mess created by being immobilized by a welfare program that trades votes for 'sitting at home' checks.

Even though a Category "5" blizzard of this scale has never fallen this early, we know it can happen and how to deal with it ourselves.

"In my many travels, I have noticed that once one gets north of about 48 degrees North Latitude, 90% of the world's social problems evaporate."

It does seem that way, at least to me.

I hope you all will think clearly about this.

Come to think of it....after four hurricanes and a tropical storm hit Florida in 2004, there was never any of this government begging that occurred after Katrina!


Maybe SOME people will get the message. The world does Not owe you a living. If you cannot afford to live with the potential negatives that living near water or coastal areas may bring......MOVE! *If you don't like lava.....move away from the damn volcano!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

[Hissyspit]

1. That's recycled from Katrina.

Actually, isn't the National Guard assisting? Like they are SUPPOSED to?

[monmouth]

2. Well, don't wait on God, he's too busy talking to Pat!!

[Warpy]

6. They are, both in Colorado and here in NM

They're dropping MREs at ranch houses and hay to stranded cattle via blackhawk helicopter, it's a big deal on local news.

This has been debunked so many times it's ridiculous. It seems it pops up here at least once a week.

[Critters2]

26. They're doing this in Nebraska and Kansas, too

Just saw it on The Weather Channel.

[loveable liberal]

3. I wouldnt get worked up.... its apples/oranges....

The author will be viewed as an idiot. Bush didnt show up because he doesnt know where the mile hi city is, FEMA didnt show up because they werent aware of a snowstorm.

[phantom power]

4. for one thing, Denver's blizzards lasted two days. Katrina lasted months.

[phantom power]

7. Ask him what would happen if Denver were buried for six fucking months...

then we might have a valid comparison between Denver and New Orleans after Katrina.

[lapfog_1]

20. If it snowed so much that it caused all of the homes

in Denver to collapse (or even 20 percent) and be uninhabitable, and no one could get to an evacuation center, and the ones that could were left without food or water for a week, I wonder how these tough self reliant Coloradans would feel then about the federal response? As someone that lived in Denver for 7 years, I can tell you... the same as the people in New Orleans.

Maybe even worse.

I grew up in the midwest on a farm. I can remember numerous times when our farm was without power, water, and heating oil (because everything ran on electricity). For a solid week my family would huddle in the living room, warming ourselves by the fire, melting snow for water and eating only what we had in the pantry. No snow plows, no helicopter drops, no phone service, only an occasional visit by a neighbor (or to a neighbor) using snow shoes to check that everyone was OK. It wasn't that big a deal. It was sort of an adventure, not a real hardship. A medical emergency would have been different, and made our isolation more problematic, but fortunately that never happened.

We did NOT face what these people in New Orleans faced. No way. We had everything we needed to wait out the storm and to wait for local resources to respond (for the county snow plow to eventually make its way to our neck of the woods).

[MnFats]

5. this came around using a north dakota blizzard a year back...

...it is ridiculous....and racist
...first of all, the number of people stranded in a blizzard is ALWAYS miniscule compared to the half-million or so affected by Katrina.
...you can climb over a six-foot snowdrift....a storm surge of six feet can kill you.
...if there had been a quarter million displaced or stranded in Colorado you can believe every level of government would face demands to get going....not the least consideration being that the majority of victims would be white...


there's more but that's a start...

[BlueJazz]

10. Yep....right on...and I might add....

..is the power going to be off for 7 months and
were 4783 houses destroyed?
...and did the sewers still work?

[Demoiselle]

19. North Dakota has approx. 1 person per square mile....

OK, I exaggerate a little, but I was born in North Dakota and there is simply no similarity in expectations and ability to prepare for and survive between a high plains snow storm and a violent coastal flood in a city. But you guys all know that already, and you weren't even born in North Dakota. The depths of nastiness and narrowness to which some people are able to sink never ceases to amaze me. Does anybody know what turd wrote the original of this nonsense? Or is it simply a right-wing classic, copied by like-minded idiots so many times that its birth is shrouded in mystery? Cheesh!

[Goblinmonger]

51. Where you from

I grew up north of Grand Forks.

[mcscajun]

8. Start here.

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp

Snopes has plenty on this one; this person who sent it to you couldn't even be bothered to be original. :puke:

[pwb]

14. sounds like a republican heavy drinkers opinion.

republicans - the party of drunks.

[pwb]

16. sorry i meant to reply to the o p.

[mcscajun]

56. No problem; happens to everyone now and then.

:hi:

[Nutmegger]

9. Were there floating bodies in CO?

Not to diminish the devastation but comparing the two events is like comparing a hill to a mountain.

What a piece of crap mail. Debunk via Snopes.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Here's how I'd reply.

"Go to hell, you worthless racist shit. Don't send me this crap anymore. What's the matter with you?"

[Goblinmonger]

52. Dude, your subtlety

amazes me :evilgrin:

[karlrschneider]

12. Did you lose track of your other thread on this?

??
There were plenty of replies...

edit for link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3033810

[Lost-in-FL]

17. SORRY!!! I got an ERROR when I sent the first one!!

That is why there are 2 of the same. Thanks for pointing it out!!


Please MOD, can we merge this thread to the first one??

[karlrschneider]

27. Haha...wasn't bitching at ya, just wondered!

:D

[Lost-in-FL]

33. ok!

:blush:

[Dammit Ann]

13. Ask him if Denver looked like this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8659318491843305588

[Demobrat]

15. In New Orleans the Levees were breached.

What would be equivalent? 20 feet of snow that didn't melt for six months? A windstorm violent enough to blow away entire neighborhoods? Blizzards happen every year and people know how to prepare for them. And in most cases nobody loses their homes. I hope someday a meteor lands smack dab on the author's house. I'd go for a plane crashing into it, but that would affect innocent people.

[applegrove]

18. Gross.

[monktonman]

21. Republican governor

didnt he declare a state of emergency?
Doesnt this make CO. eligable for federal funds?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

22. This is recycled, and Snopes addresses it nicely:

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp

[Crunchy Frog]

32. That Snopes piece is revealing.

It explains this line: "Even though a Category "5" blizzard of this scale has never fallen this early". Late December is hardly what I would call "early" for a blizzard in Colorado.

[sammythecat]

23. You don't have a leg to stand on here.

This man (I'm assuming) is absolutely right. And it's high time the rest of us wussies wake up to the fact that it was upon the strong and self-reliant backs of hardy pioneer folk such as this man, that this great nation was built. And it will continue in it's greatness despite our ceaseless whining and demands for somebody else to always do the things we should be doing for ourselves.

Any of you sissies ever hear anything about picking yourself up by your bootstraps? Huh?

Yes, I'm trying to be sarcastic. What classic right wing drivel! And I'll have to admit, I haven't got the slightest idea how one goes about picking himself up by the bootstraps. Doesn't that violate a law of physics or something?

[karlrschneider]

28. You just gotta be REAL strong!

:crazy:

[rustydog]

24. One City, the entire Gulf coast. thousands inconvenienced,

Millions wiped out, tens of thousands homeless, thousands DEAD. FUCK you E-mailer. Get it right just once and maybe I'll read your verbal fecal matter.

[classof56]

25. And if ya don't like major snowstorms in the winter, leave Colorado...

Oh, come to think of it, that's what I did about 40 years ago. And then there were the idiots like the one who wrote this "Weather Bulletin"...Ugh!

Still have a soft spot for my old home state, though. Colorado Rocky Mountain High!

[roseBudd]

29. boo friggin hoo, some trees lost branches, homes were not distroyed, no one drowned

[Crunchy Frog]

30. I bet that was written by one of those ASSHOLES from Texas

that have been moving into our state.:grr:

[Contrary1]

31. You guys are being way too harsh!

I say we lend a helping hand and relocate 'em all to Texas. Everyone will be "so overwhelmed by the hospitality."
And so many folks in Denver are "you know, underprivileged anyway, so this--this (insert chuckle here) will work
very well for them."

[zbdent]

34. Fire back this li'l one-liner -

"Have you ever shoveled a flood out of your driveway?"

[mnhtnbb]

35. Have you ever shoveled a flood out of your house--up to the attic?

[Demobrat]

38. Or this one.

How many homes were lost?

[Lost-in-FL]

36. .

.

[treestar]

37. Last week it was North Dakota

And research showed N.D. had taken plenty of federal aid in the past.

[donco6]

39. I live in Denver, and here's what I would say:

Yeah, we got hit by a big blizzard - it was all over CNN. I'll bet even Dumbass Bush knew about it while it was happening, rather than two days later because some 23-year old pimple faced staffer shoved a DVD player in front of his moronic face.

And today, the blizzard is gone. Some snow left on the streets. My house is still here. My job is still here. My car is still here. All my family is still here. Hell, even my dogs are still here.

To compare this to the disaster of Katrina is utterly ludicrous. We lost nothing in comparison to what the southern coast lost. We didn't even lose our electricity! Our damage is not irreparable, as much of theirs is. And we weren't abandoned and left to drown and die like they were. Even our cows are having hay airlifted to them.

Was it because I lifted myself up by my bootstraps and solved all my own problems? No. There wasn't anything I could do about it. I, like everyone else in town, waited until the plows came through and then shoveled my way out of the garage. But what if no plows had come? What if the power had been lost and there had been no heat? We'd have been screaming for help just like everyone else. And rightly so.

The world may not owe me a living. But as humans - particularly if you claim to be a Christian - we owe it to our neighbors to lend a hand.

That is, unless you're black and poor.

[Lost-in-FL]

40. Thank you for the responses

I wrote the e-mail but I am too chicken to post it, afraid that my friend would see that letter in the INTERNETS. I know, I know... what are the chances. My friend is computer savy and might find it posted.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

43. I'm confused.. you sent the email to your 'friend' but didn't post it here? Or you didn't send it at

all? :shrug:

[Lost-in-FL]

47. I sent the e-mail to my friend...

but won't post here, what I wrote.

Lets see what happen.

[hatrack]

41. In Denver, the power stayed on

In Denver, the phone system worked, and the Internet was still operational.

In Denver, the bridges, roads, power lines, sewer and water mains and traffic signals remained operational after the snow arrived.

In Denver, hospitals had power and heat throughout the emergency.

In Denver, food shipments continued to arrive, and even the airport wasn't down for more than a couple of days.

In Denver, people weren't dying as snow filled their homes so that they froze to death, and people didn't have their homes swept away by gigantic walls of snow flowing from defective, collapsing snow fences.

In Denver, people weren't forbidden to move from one neighborhood to the next by police with drawn guns.

To name but a few points of rebuttal.

[Dammit Ann]

42. HOW ABOUT THIS?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/03/ap/national/mainD8ME01IG0.shtml

[Rex]

44. These are the people South Park makes fun of.

Go figure.

[uppityperson]

45. Snope has it, old bs, here is link...

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp

[depakid]

46. Ask the STUPID libertarian who cleared his roads

People like this ought to be left out in the snow without power for a week so they can really be the "rugged individualists" they claim to admire.

I reckon he'd sing a different tune. In my experience, people like this are inevitably THE biggest crybabies when something really nasty happens to them personally.

[Lost-in-FL]

49. I didn't think it was Libertarian

I thought it was more like white supremacist crap. Just that comment about the 48 latitude having only 10% of social problems said it all for me.

[Kire]

48. FEMA did do something

http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/oct97fema1.html

FEMA Region VIII in Denver reports that the situation has stabilized and road and power crews are making good progress in affected areas.

[Cleita]

50. I'm speechless.

How about that volcano? There's a good chance there is one lurking under one of those mountains in the rockies. It's too bad that the poor of New Orleans didn't have SUVs to evacuate stranded neighbors. What is wrong with Colorado anyway? Have Coloradoans lost their humanity. What a bunch of racist hate.

"We are so much better than you because we don't put our hand out asking for things."

[NoSheep]

Love your sig line. n/t

[NoSheep]

59. Love your sig line. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

53. They sent the frigging cavalry to Florida in '04 after the hurricanes!!

* and Jebbie were personally passing out bags of ice! There was a scandal involving some areas that literally got nothing more than heavy rain receiving millions in federal aid, and of course it had NOTHING to do with the Repukes attempting to buy votes in the upcoming election in a serious swing state!

[Lost-in-FL]

54. That's right...

right on.

[Catherine Vincent]

55. Why did they go by Katrina?

They could have gone by the yearly floods in Texas. Every year the coast/national guard have to scoop people from their homes where the water reached the rooftops.

[zbdent]

57. On another note - Did you hear that they're airdropping feed to cattle

to make sure that the cattlemen don't lose profits because of cattle starving to death?

I don't believe that there was that much sympathy for the people in the Superdome ...

[ironflange]

58. He obviously had a lot of time to kill. . .

. . .while he was snowed in.

[warrens]

60. Ask the idiot if he's living in 12 feet of water

No, he's sitting inside, nice and dry. I grew up in Northern NH and we had weather like that all the time. There's nothing Biblical about it. This same idiocy was circulated about N. Dakota last year. It makes even less sense now.