Cindy Sheehan is the Bev Harris of the anti-war movement.

[LoZoccolo]

Attention-seeking stunts for $$$$.

If you cared for her grief, you'd encourage her to go to a doctor for some SSRIs and talk therapy, rather than egging her on.

[jgraz]

1. What a ridiculous statement

Which I'm sure comes from someone who's at the forefront of the selfless peace movement :sarcasm:

[Reterr]

31. heh heh heh.nt

[katsy]

2. How much did she make?

Link?

[Habibi]

95. Exactly.

[arcos]

3. Wow...

:wow: :popcorn:

(I disagree by the way, but regardless of that, I predict this will the mother-of-all-flamefests)

:popcorn:

[JeffR]

12. Locked before midnight is my guess

:popcorn:

[MazeRat7]

20. sooner...

[JeffR]

25. We can hope...

[k_jerome]

you should tell. nt.

[JeffR]

56. It's a nice night for a roaring fire.

So I'll leave that to someone else.

[k_jerome]

61. really, i don't think anyone will have to. nt.

[MazeRat7]

4. ...

:popcorn:

Oh you stepped in it....

MZr7

[Skidmore]

5. What is your problem?

This woman has the right to say what she pleases about this war to whom she wants, as do any of us. This includes Democratic congressional folks, who will hear from this voter if they plan to wield a rubberstamp with a "D" on it where this war is concerned.

[LoZoccolo]

7. "This woman has the right to say what she pleases..."

I don't disagree with that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. So you don't disagree with her right to say it.

Do you than disagree with what she's saying?

Sheehan's against the war with Iraq, so ou support the war in Iraq?

Or do you disagree with how see says it?

Sheehan's saying it with her mouth, so you're talking out your...

[LoZoccolo]

44. "Do you than disagree with what she's saying?"

Not completely.

"Sheehan's against the war with Iraq, so ou support the war in Iraq?"

No, I don't support the war on Iraq.

"Or do you disagree with how see says it?"

Yes.

[PassingFair]

96. "Problem"

She could cause trouble for the "yes" voters.

"New Dems" want her shut up.

:rofl:

The usual suspects are all in alignment, so the marching
papers must have been handed out...


:rofl: :rofl:


Cindy is persona non grata OVERNIGHT!

Spectacular!!

:crazy:

[JeffR]

6. $$$$????

How many? From whom? Sounds like you've really got some dirt on Cindy Sheehan. Share.:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

11. She is propped up by donations.

If the free advertising she gets from the press runs out, the well runs dry.

[Lars39]

22. As opposed to your donors?

I kid.

[ret5hd]

111. Those aren't donors..they're employers and gettin' their money's worth.

no sarcasm thingie here.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Cindy is really raking in the dough, huh?

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[NYCGirl]

19. She gets well paid for speeches:

http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2005/11/29/sheehan2.html

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. Why is that bad? Lots of people get paid well for speeches.

[NYCGirl]

33. I don't think there's a thing wrong with it. Here's info on her agent:

http://www.speakingmatters.org/cindy_sheehan.html

[TomClash]

84. Chump change

Michael Moore gets over $50,000.

[NYCGirl]

86. Good for him. NT

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Yeah, I bet she had her son killed on purpose.

Right?

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Quick. Someone grab the popcorn............

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Is there a pizza smilie?

[SoCalDem]

17. well. there IS this

[rug]

26. This needs this.

[SoCalDem]

28. pizza smilie

[jgraz]

14. As opposed to attention-seeking posts for, well, attention

Yes, let's all drug the peace activists. They're definitely the ones with the problem.

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[LoZoccolo]

16. I did not say anything about peace activists; that is a mischaracterization. n/t

[jgraz]

23. You should know about mischaracterizations

How much money did you say Cindy Sheehan and Bev Harris were making?

[EFerrari]

15. LOL!

:rofl:

Tell you what, when Cindy sits at Free Republic and tells us one of our own isn't dying just pitching a fit, I'll take you off ignore.

[neuvocat]

18. You know what's great about a thread like this?

You can hide it and never ever see it again.

[EstimatedProphet]

109. LOL good point!

[JeffR]

21. In all seriousness, LZ

Since I've previously described you as my favorite DU centrist, let me just say this thread is beneath you and I really wish you hadn't posted it.

[LoZoccolo]

38. I just think the relationship between her and her supporters is unhealthy.

People pay her to do emotional and ineffective things as an activist, which garner enough sustanence to perform another, and on and on. I don't think it's good for her or the people paying her. I actually think she's being exploited more than her supporters - let's see any of these people cheerleading get arrested themselves.

[JeffR]

45. She wants the war ended. So do her supporters, and her fans.

Not sure where the exploitation enters in...

[LoZoccolo]

49. People pay her to do stunts they wouldn't do themselves.

I think they're also taking advantage of someone who is in deep pain as well in doing so.

[JeffR]

60. Seems to me a woman this courageous can take care of herself.

She knows what she's doing. If some people don't like it, I doubt if she cares.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

66. How very patronizing.

Isn't that just what the Faux Snooze knuckleheads and Rush Limpballs were saying about her, too -- that the left-wing moonbats were taking advantage of her to promote their commie pinko peacenik agenda? Can't you give her credit for knowing her own mind and doing exactly what she means to do, even if you and Rahm Emanuel and the other human windsocks of the DLC don't approve?

[liberalnurse]

69. Have you ever met with Cindy?

Do you know this first hand?

I have spent a little time with Cindy Sheehan and the group of activist she works with................You are so delusional with your rhetoric.

[jgraz]

76. Exactly - no one who's spent 5 minutes with her could possibly say this

Just ignorant attention-seeking.

[WI_DEM]

27. That is silly.

She is trying to save other kids lives. It doesn't matter what party--she want's action.

[LoZoccolo]

30. It does matter how she tries to get it, however. n/t

[katsy]

43. Not really.

She doesn't owe the Democrats anything does she?

Did they all stand by her when she protested at Crawford?

Loved her then, no?

I remember the adoring threads.

Free speech. That's not negotiable.

[paulk]

80. the real question is whether her actions will help

or hurt her goals.

There's a legitimate argument to be made that stunts like today's hurt those efforts.

[omega minimo]

32. The people dissing Cindy are the Beavis of the Democratic Party

....the ones egging 'em on are the Butthead.


:kick:

[JeffR]

39. Sweet

:applause:

[AlCzervik]

34. are you privy to her tax returns?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. Comparing Cindy Sheehan to Bev Harris is kind of like

comparing any real Democrat to Joe Lieberman.

:popcorn:

[liberalnurse]

58. No, it is much, much worse.

Bev harmed, harassed and haunted our Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Right up to his untimely death!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[LibraLiz1973]

36. IBTL

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

[LibraLiz1973]

79. ha ha ha ha

thats a good one

[conscious evolution]

37. Big difference

Cindy is raising hell because people are dying.
Bev's raising hell contributed to a persons death.

If you can't see the differance....

[liberalnurse]

40. You don't even know her!

You don't even know what she is fighting for! Do ya?

I sense that you don't even know what you believe in these days......Do Ya?

What have you done for Liberty lately?

To compare my friend Cindy to that fucking Crone *bev is a sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evilfrown:

[helderheid]

41. Until you've lost a kid in this insane war, I don't want to hear about it.

[CatWoman]

48. what Helderheid said

...........

[High Plains]

42. Whew, what a stench coming off the OP!

Real ugly attack without any substance. The poster ought to look within.

[jgraz]

46. Only Jan 3rd and LZ's locked up the dumbest post of the year

Ignorance, trolling and general counterproductive bullshit.

LoZoccolo, I'm sure you'll want to post all of your anti-war activities so we can see how a true peace activist operates.

[CatWoman]

52. lolololololol

:rofl:

[High Plains]

47. Oh, I get it! You're pissed because she interrupted Rahmie boy.

[LoZoccolo]

63. I'm pissed because she interrupted lobbying reform. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

85. So does this little interruption mean there won't be lobbying reform,

or is the real issue her ever-so-rude interruption of Rahm "DLC" Emanuel's glory-hogging press conference? If they are serious about real lobbying reform, it will occur, with or without a press conference, and whether or not Cindy Sheehan inconveniently mentioned Iraq.

[BuyingThyme]

50. Yep, she convinced her son to go to war and die for nothing.

You nailed it.

[jgraz]

67. It's a popular business plan

I hear about 3000 mothers have done the same.

[cali]

51. Oh, man.

You're making me sorry I opened the floodgates by posting my thread. I find your comparison of Sheehan with Harris really repugnant. And that goes for the rest of your message too.

[LittleClarkie]

74. Indeed. I preferred your civil approach. This, on the other hand,

is just wrong on SO many levels.

[cali]

83. Though it appears that my civil approach elicited

even more rage than this over the top pos.

[walldude]

53. Thank you so much for proving my point...

I believe she would trade all the money in the world for another day with her son.

[SaveElmer]

54. More like Ralph Nader

Once influential, widely respected even among those that didn't agree with him 100% of the time...

Then in order to feed his own ego he runs for President, helping elect George Bush, and those that respected him now consider him a Bush enabler...

He is now completely irrelevent to any important issue, and his efforts at consumer protection fall on deaf ears once willing to listen to what he had to say...

[walldude]

62. Really? When exactly did the opposition respect her?

And now she is completly irrelevent? Then why are there 10 threads on her today?

[SaveElmer]

75. Not talking about opposition...

Talking about moderate to liberal Democrats who sympathized with her, believed she was doing a good job focusing the issue where it belonged, at the man living at 1600 Pennsylavnia who is soley responsible for instigating this war, and who may not have necessarily agreed with all her solutions, but listened to what she had to say.

Now she decides it is those very same people that she is going to attack...

She is now playing to her true believers. Any effectiveness she had is now at an end. She is now irrelevent as far as convincing anyone that her solutions are desirable. She appears to have turned herself into another "Nader" like publicity hound!

[walldude]

81. Yes now she's playing to "her true believers"

The anti-war crowd. You keep saying she is irrelevant yet you are still talking about her ;)

[SaveElmer]

99. For today...

On a political website populated mostly by those at t he left end of the spectrum...and even here this will be old news tomorrow!

[newsdude]

94. Good Lord, anyone who thinks Nader ran on "ego" isn't a Democrat

Nader felt, and rightly so, that he had to Run because the Democrats had become a corporate party and stopped representing the people they once did.

I mean, What the fuck?

Democrats are running on Free trade, shipping union jobs overseas.
Democrats to give Bush the ability to go to Iraq/
Democrats pander to the middle class, promising tax cuts for the middle class while promising to fix education and fix health care and be the party of fiscal sanity. I'm sorry. But I'm middle class, and I'm willing to RAISE MY TAXES to fix the things that Democrats used to care about.
Democrats cowered and ran when Clinton's health care plan was criticized.

So, excuse me, if I'm not going to join the course of "Democrats" who criticize Nader for running on the abandoned principles and platforms that were once the bedrock of the party.

[SaveElmer]

102. Puhleese...

His "not a dimes worth of difference" comment will go down in history as one of the most disingenuous political statements ever uttered.

[k_jerome]

55. stepped into a hornets nest with this one, my friend. nt.

[liberalnurse]

88. I do believe that

my ears are leaning back right now against my skull....................:mad:

I have not felt this outraged while on DU in a long time.

I'm so relieved so see such fine support from DU'er like yourself here tonight! :hi:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

Welcome to your horseshit.

Enjoy.

[LoZoccolo]

59. You can disagree if you'd like, but you have to be nice. n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

64. Bullshit. She's got the guts and DU has got the horseshit

with all this Sheehan-bashing. I'm disgusted.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. Do I have to be nice to everybody?

How about grieving mothers? I can be mean to them, can't I?

[walldude]

77. LIke you were when you said she was exploiting her

sons death for money and attention? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[nam78_two]

57. Yeah! Thats IT!

:eyes:

[Batgirl]

68. I think I get it

This OP is simply making an effort to get more than just an honorable mention next time "Most Annoying" awards are being distributed.

[robertpaulsen]

70. Oh yeah, I'm sure she's just enjoying her son's death.

After all, look at all the money rolling in as a result of it, as you so observantly point out. Gee, where have I seen that "cough" logic "cough" before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls

[xultar]

71. She lost a son in this war. I can't see insulting her. I may not like what she does

but I'm not going to damn her for doing it.

She lost a child so from me she gets a pass.

[jgraz]

72. Seriously, LZ, why don't you tell us how YOU'VE worked against the war?

I'm sure we're all eager to learn from your obvious wisdom and experience.

[LittleClarkie]

73. There's a civil way to disagree with Cindy Sheehan (cali's)

and a not so civil way to disagree (yours)

Over the top, dude.

[MonkeyFunk]

82. Agreed

I believe Cali was correct in her thread, but this is just pointless, mean-spirited and stupid.

[ret5hd]

78. What an attention whore you are.

[northofdenali]

87. .... hmmmm ...

:popcorn:

[newsdude]

89. I tried to say something along these lines awhile ago

But with much more tact.
And not comparing her to someone who is despised.
I think she's gonna spend a lot of time getting blasted by people who were really quick to use her for their own political purposes not long ago.
And I knew, as much as the Republicans were tearing her down, it was going to be 100 times more painful when the Dems did it.

I'm opposed, in general, to the idea of trying to make one person "the face" of a movement. Especially when that one woman lost her son in a war and is probably not going to be able handle the intense spotlight.

[Webster Green]

90. Oh yeah, the legendary "Paid protesters"..

What a load of crap.

Love your pink tutu, btw!

[madrchsod]

91. spring fever in chicago today.........?

well i`m not going to disagree or agree with you because the truth lies somewhere in the middle. actually i really do`t know enough about it to make an informed decision. what i`m really concern about is who is stealing the veggie trucks in bridgeport and just how good was obama`s pot and coke.....

[sniffa]

92. my fLamebaitdar is working

i'm getting that tingLing sensation again.

[jgraz]

108. Mine gets mixed up with my gaydar

Causes me no end of problems...

[madrchsod]

93. 45 minutes and this is`t locked?

cool.......

[Redstone]

97. Have you had any sons killed in that stupid war? If not, shut the fuck up.

Redstone

[libnnc]

100. What Redstone said. In spades.n/t

[Redstone]

105. Unless you're in the same situation as someone else, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE!

I guess the OP doesn't get that.

Thanks for the post in support.

Redstone

[LynnTheDem]

104. HEAR! HEAR!

This is only one of a handful of times I've ever even thought "shut the fuck up" about anyone, but this is one of those times!

Ta for saying it, Redstone!

[jgraz]

106. At least LZ got Redstone and me to agree on something

I guess you really are a peacemaker :P

[Redstone]

110. Some good can come out of almost anything, yes?

Redstone

[LSK]

98. NOW I HAVE SEEN IT ALL

Are you that desperate for responses???

Was this a lounge dare??

Theres just no other possible logical reason for this post. NONE.

:wtf:

:wow:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

101. Hey, don't blame the Lounge for this one!

:puke:

[darkstar]

103. And the Beatles were the Oasis of the sixties, right?

This is another joke along those lines. Right???

[dogday]

107. *

:thumbsdown:

[tbyg52]

112. Attention-seeking stunts for $$$$.

Ummm... I was under the impression that getting attention was what she set out to do, and that she has done a pretty good job of it. As for the $$$$, I think it's rather insulting to insinuate that's her primary motive. Plus you don't even offer any evidence or examples. Just an inflammatory assertion.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

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