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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:28 PM
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So 3 of Saddam's attorneys were...
...assassinated along with a judge yet there wasn't a mistrial? In the middle of a war? That's justice?
He wasn't even put on trial for the Kurd massacre. Why not?

Bush wanted him dead.
Saddam, facing a proper court would testify and then the world would know of Cheney's illegal Halliburton dealings with him along with Rumsfeld selling him WMD's.

The Hague would have been a much better venue from which we could have heard the details.
Now the Bush Crime Syndicate can sigh in relief.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:30 PM
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1. It's quite clear there was no fair trial.
What is it called when you kill a prisoner without a fair trial?
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:32 AM
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14. Problem is...
...when you desire proper justice for all of Saddam's enablers then there defenders try to change the subject with nonsense like somehow you are a sympathizer with Saddam. Or that you somehow don't wish Saddam gets what he deserves.
Typical subject change to avoid the real issue of just how did the man get his chemical weapons and more.. A subject that the CONs love to try to change because so many Republicans were involved including Cheney, Reagan, and Rummy.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:30 PM
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2. I agree.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:31 PM
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3. Like you said, they wanted him dead.
Rummy is a civilian now and could face extradition charges (one can hope). Saddam would have been material witness #1. But he dead now.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:33 PM
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4. Read this: Dreyfuss on the Saddam's
Death Squad Hanging

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/03/saddams_death_squad_hanging.php
<snip>

In Iraq today , there are the death squads that slink by night, barging into homes in the dark with lists in their hands and shooting whole families of (usually) Sunni leaders and innocents, and there are the brazen death squads who roam in broad daylight, who terrorize whole neighborhoods in an ethnic cleansing frenzy. Some of them wear police uniforms, some of them wear army fatigues, and some of them are black-clad Mahdi Army thugs. The killing goes on: by official Iraqi count, 2,000 in December and more than 16,000 for all of 2006, according to latest reports—though the actual total for last year is more likely 100,000 or more.

And then there is the official death squad that hanged Saddam Hussein. They hanged him unceremoniously, black-hooded killers chanting Shiite religious slogans even as they placed the noose around his neck, shouting “Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!” It was a sordid, even sleazy affair, replete with boorish spectators shouting the names of supposed Shiite clergy-martyrs. It followed a haphazard, kangaroo-court trial, in which judges who couldn’t stomach the travesty were fired and Saddam’s defense lawyers murdered serially by death squads, in which witnesses were paraded to denounce the accused without any rebuttal or cross-examination, resembling the Red Queen’s “Off with her head!” trial of Alice, with the bulbous fictional monarch shouting: “Sentence first, and verdict later!” And then, at the final moment, in Baghdad , the dictator stood proud and erect, making his killers look small and evil-minded. At once, the dictator—who’d sent thousands to the gallows and to the firing squad—became victim and martyr, and the righteous sufferers were transformed into bloodthirsty revenge-seekers.

Amid such bungling, it’s impossible to believe that any “surge” in U.S. forces—or any other stay-the-course stratagem—will make any difference in the end. With its sheer might and with Bush’s bull-headed determination, the United States can indeed kill many more Iraqis, perhaps even hundreds of thousands more on top of the 655,000 dead already. But in the end, either the United States will withdraw from Iraq without the victory Bush seeks—indeed, in defeat—or it will be expelled by Iraqis themselves. By now, no Iraqi government will have any credibility if it does not align itself with Iraqi public opinion, which overwhelmingly (Sunni and Shiite, alike) demands the withdrawal of U.S. troops.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:45 PM
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6. great article!
After reading the entire article, it seems clear that the plan of Iraq invasion was to destablize Iraq.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 06:36 AM
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12. Powerful stuff..thanks for posting! n/t
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 09:35 PM
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5. From what did come out he was IMHO NG
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 09:35 PM by wakeme2008
Somebody tried to kill him. They got the perts and had a trial and they were executed. Now at the show trial, not only was Saddam found guilty but the judge from the trial of the ppl that tried to kill him.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:03 PM
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7. the pig's audience, we the 'people'
saw the ghastly spectacle in iraq while solemnly gerry ford, an unelected goofball who sat on the warren commision and took details about the JFK coup to hell with him ...the awesome solemnity of the one statesman's funeral natcherly will be compared by cud chewers with saddam's hideous, disgraceful end, and like the movie 'apocalypto' says, them folks just shouldn't be trusted with power, even over such things as an execution (or a country)
the problem is the world KNOWS that saddam was killed by bush (and mel gibson is a racialist boor) lie about it as they will....
btw does ANYONE remember spiro agnew -he of the 'nattering nabobs of negativitivy' fame? he was vice pres until shortly before the impeachment of nixon got underway, in 1973. Yet, no one wondered at how CONVEENIENT that was...to this day no one has mentioned what is blatantly obvious-agnew wasn't cia and would never be allowed to be usa prez, so he would be charged with pickpocketing in his youth(?) or whatever it was, and plead 'nolo contendre' so old gerry ford could assume the office, just i time (nudge wink) for nixon's overthrow...
like tommy says 'dang them fellers!'
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 04:00 AM
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11. Unless you had a drink of the Kool-Aid,
watching coverage of both deaths side by side was really telling. Funny how no one on MSM mentioned East Timor during the reading of the Ford beatitudes.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:05 PM
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8. Dead men tell no tales
Just ask the attorneys, judge, and Saddam.
Oh....wait...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:27 PM
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9. he was a piece of crap
but it was a lynching, which renders the rule of law even a lower piece of crap than him.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:14 AM
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16. Indeed: it was the cold-blooded murder of a tyrant
I can see how it would raise some ambiguities, but the principle of law and the value of fairness are to be prized above any individual case.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:37 PM
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10. Just like the old west
"First we try him, then we hang him"
W tries to be John Wayne again.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:11 AM
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13. Links:

A discreet way of doing business with Iraq

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From September 1998 until it sold its stake last February, Halliburton owned 51 per cent of Dresser-Rand. It also owned 49 per cent of Ingersoll-Dresser Pump, until its sale in December 1999. During the time of the joint ventures, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser Pump submitted more than $23.8m worth of contracts for the sale of oil industry parts and equipment to Iraq. Their combined total amounted to more than any other US company; the vast majority was approved by the sanctions committee.

Mr Cheney is not the only Washington heavyweight to have been affiliated with a company trading with Iraq. John Deutch, a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is a member of the board of Schlumberger, the second largest US oil services company.

http://search.ft.com/search/articles.html?offset=&query=cheney+iraq+halliburton&multiViewArticleId001103000626=001103000626

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Rumsfeld 'offered help to Saddam'
Declassified papers leave the White House hawk exposed over his role during the Iran-Iraq war

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,866942,00.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

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UN rights expert calls for independent probe into Saddam trial lawyers’ murder

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=16593&Cr=&Cr1=

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/11507

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Judge on Saddam tribunal killed


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A judge and his lawyer son working with the special court that will hear charges of human rights abuse against Saddam Hussein and senior members of his government has been gunned down by insurgents, sources said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/02/iraq.judge/
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:11 AM
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15. The trial was a farce
The execution was a disgrace.

Think on it: US soldiers handed Saddam Hussein over to a pack of leather-jacketed, ski-masked thugs who looked like they were fixing to rob a jewelry store in Canarsie, who proceeded to take him into a room that looked like something out of Saw III, chant the name of a man who is indirectly responsible for more dead Americans than Saddam Hussein himself, and hurl obscenities at the condemned.

Is this how a civilized society conducts itself? Is this how jurisprudence works?

The whole business was a complete outrage from start to finish, and I truly question the ethics and judgment of any DUer who cannot see how utterly off it was.
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