Somebody had to say it.

[otherlander]

There's a lot of anger at Cindy Sheehan for getting in the Democrats' faces about Iraq. But if she didn't say it, who would? The invasion has been a disaster from the start. And there wasn't a lot of resistance to it. I know: the Democrats were in the minority. 9/11 was still fresh in everyone's minds. They were lied to by the president. They didn't have the power to stop it. BUT NOW THEY DO.

There's far more of a opposition to the war now, among the American people and the Democrats in Washington. There are signs of progress, timetables being proposed. And if we're going to be realistic, we have to work with them, not against them.

But as important as it is for the Democrats to do what they're doing, there must also be those who refuse to negotiate. Who shout their rage at every injustice and refuse to budge one single inch. They keep the more pragmatic among us from forgetting what we stand for. They remind the powerful that if they don't deal with us, they'll have to deal with them.

When every day means more deaths, when justice is denied every minute of every hour, patience is no virtue, my friends. Patience is a crime. And I, for one, agree with Cindy. You want to call that unrealistic? Fine, then. It's still a voice that must be heard, a voice as irrational as hope itself.

[Captain Hilts]

1. She should have waited. This afternoon Pelosi said we want them out.

[pnwmom]

19. Do you have a link to that?

[madfloridian]

51. She said it...she was firm about Iraq...on C-Span.

.

[tavalon]

88. She interupted Rahm Immanuel

He needs to be interupted pretty much any time he opens his mouth. When we have a better majority, he will be one of the people with a bullseye on his forehead. He's useless other than as a Democratic number. I would much rather Cindy get this kind of publicity interupting Rahm than anyone else (well Lieberman would also be a good choice - we should dog him mercilessly).

[leftofthedial]

2. someone needs to be screaming in the faces of the DLC dems

24X7 until they start acting like Democrats again

[Individualist]

44. Hear, hear!

[babylonsister]

3. Yes, otherlander, I too agree with Cindy; she's holding their feet

to the fire. If our esteemed Dems think they can get away with not addressing the war, they have another thing coming.

[nini]

4. ANOTHER FUCKING THREAD ON THIS???

FOR MOST HERE - THE POINT IS IT IS NOT HER MESSAGE - IT WAS THE TIMING BECAUSE THE CONGRESS HAD NOT BEEN CALLED INTO SESSION YET.

JESUS MARY AND JOSEPH.. I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW OUT OF CONTROL THIS WHOLE THING HAS BECOME HERE - TO THE POINT WHERE I'M TYPING IN UPPERCASE!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Nini...

the timing was the message.

[novalib]

9. Calm Down.

You really need to calm down there.

You might blow a gasket or something.

[nini]

30. I am calm

hence my comment about myself typing in caps..

It was somewhat of a joke.

[Moochy]

10. Walk on by

hide thread is your friend

[nini]

31. I'm fine - I should have put a sarcasm smiley in there

:D though I wasn't 'completely' sarcastic there.

[otherlander]

14. I'm sorry that we're forcing you to type in all capital letters.

We can do that sort of thing, you know.

[crispini]

16. Word.

I'm now putting this whole thing on "Hide Thread."

[nini]

37. .

:hi:


it boggles the mind doesn't it?

[pnwmom]

20. You're overreacting. If you see a thread you're not interested in, skip it. n/t

[nini]

34. I am not

Never tell me how to act - ok?


it was not completely serious and my AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH and comment about all caps should have been a clue

[question everything]

29. Those who support her do not remember McGovern

and the humiliating defeat when the party appeared to be a one issue party.

Yes, the war is important, but economic issues are what affect voters in how they vote. And until we have a draft, the war looks more like a another bungle of Bush and company.

But, hey, if the ones who want to push Iraq and impeachment to the head of the line, they should not come crying when the White House stays Republican in 2008 and when we lose whatever majority we gained two months ago.

[nini]

36. good point.. I do remember those days

and yes, we lost a lot because of that. thanks for bringing that up.

[LostInAnomie]

40. Good point

We'd be fools to dart off in that one direction and forget everything else.

[pnwmom]

53. I remember McGovern. But Cindy's not a politician and she has every

right to be a one issue mom.

[nini]

55. The OP was talking about the policy being on one issue

not what Sheehan can do.

[pnwmom]

74. Read the OP again. It is about Sheehan and her right to speak out.

[otherlander]

86. Actually...

I meant that she was right to pressure them to end the war faster. I didn't say that it was the ONLY thing the Dems should do.

[nini]

87. ok

I'm mixing up a million threads at once.. I stand corrected.

[Zomby Woof]

42. YOU LEFT OUT THE 11111'S!!!

OMG!!! :argh:





















;-)

Didn't you get the memo? You're either with us or against us! Make no mistake, criticizing Cindy's timing with her message is THE SAME THING. There's a line in the sand and you crossed it!! I am running out of Bush-style reactionary cliches which makes the 'far left' indistinguishable in their hysteria and lockstep mentality from the 'far right'! OMG!

Thinking for yourself and without ideological rigidity is OUT OF LINE. :eyes:

[nini]

45. I know.. I guess I should learn to see everything in black and white

shhheeeeeeeeeetttt!


*snort*

[otherlander]

58. I never said that.

I said that I felt that her actions were neccesary.

[Zomby Woof]

62. And NO ONE hates Cindy either

Nor are any of we who disagree with her showboating "DLC whores" or whatnot.

I never accused you of saying anything. I was mocking the general tenor of those who seem to fetishize Sheehan and place her on a pedestal while demonizing ANYONE who is not sufficiently enamored of her or her methods.

[xultar]

69. I wish I could nominate this for greatest!

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. Some of the Dems have changed their position on the war

and seem to be going along with the 'surge' of troops. Cindy is just holding them to their campaign rhetoric.

[happydreams]

81. There should be more threads on this. People are dying!! nt

[genie_weenie]

5. It's the difference of wanting

one's people in power to enforce one's beliefs and wanting people in power who will stop Americans from dying.

[LostInAnomie]

7. "But if she didn't say it, who would?"

Maybe the millions of democrats that put them in power. After all, we all went to the polls, as is the custom in a democracy, and made our voices heard.

A complete electoral shut out of Repukes, and the taking back of both houses by the Democrats tells me that the message was clear. We didn't need Cindy Sheehan jumping in front of the cameras again to make our voices heard.

[pnwmom]

22. She's making HER voice heard. And she has every right.

[Hoosier Dem]

8. Her timing was poor taste.

I'm honestly starting to think that this is less and less about the war and more and more about Cindy falling in love with her own celebrity.

[otherlander]

11. Falling in love with her own celebrity...

Yes, I'm sure that's what it is. :eyes:
Jesus Christ, give her a break. Her son was killed because of this shit. She wants accountability.

[Moochy]

13. I like to test my ignore list against these threads

Yep pretty much got most of the "I H8 CINDY" du'ers.

[otherlander]

17. I've actually never put anyone on ignore.

Too curious about everything, I guess. But the vitriol does get annoying sometimes.

[Moochy]

23. They dont stay there for long :)

I have to clear it out periodically. emptying the trash as it were. :+

[Individualist]

46. aka DLC cheerleaders

They're on my ignore list as well.

[Ms. Clio]

63. check it a few months from now

see how much granite turns up.

[Moochy]

65. some are like the undead

You can't kill that which is not alive!! They never get memorial granite!

[Ms. Clio]

66. I see dead people!

:rofl:

[novalib]

12. WRONG!!!!!

Her timing was in poor taste??!!!

Her TIMING was in poor taste???!!!

Her TIMING was in POOR TASTE???!!!!

EXCUSE ME -- but she LOST A SON in that FUCKING GODDAM WAR!!!!!

There was NOTHING in "POOR TASTE" about her TIMING!!!

She lives -- EVERY GODDAM DAY -- with the LOSS OF HER SON!!!!

So, before you start pontificating about her "POOR TASTE", you might want to consider her PAIN AND OUTRAGE at EVERY SINGLE DAY this KILLING goes on!!!!!!

[americanstranger]

15. Weren't you saying something about 'blowing a gasket' upthread?

Just askin'

- as

[otherlander]

26. I wouldn't call posting an angry message on a chatboard

an overreaction to thousands dead.

[americanstranger]

67. I just find it funny.

One DUer scolds another for typing in caps. Moments later, the scolding DUer's caps lock key apparently gets stuck.

Finding humor on DU threads is still allowed, I hope.

- as

[Moochy]

70. Nevarr!!!

:spank: :evilgrin:

[americanstranger]

71. It always pays to ask if you don't know.

;)

- as

[nini]

56. *snort*

:thumbsup:

[pnwmom]

25. Thank you for the outrage. We need more of that, not less.

[Hoosier Dem]

90. I fully realize that she lost her son...

When Cindy first started her mission, I was 100% in favor of what she was doing. She put a face to the thousands of grieving families everywhere. For many people, she was the first incarnation of a grieving family.

As time has gone on, however, I'm starting to find some of her actions becoming more media stunt than message. This latest one falls in line with that. I don't know who shes taking advice from these days, but I'd like to see her get back on her original message. I don't think her message was any clearer than the lone mom standing out frnt of the White House asking one simple question: WHY?

[Mizmoon]

18. Amen. Her timing was terrible.

and she doesn't care because it's not about getting the troops out anymore. It's about Cindy.

[novalib]

21. Just WHEN Would Her TIming Have NOT Been Terrible???!!!

I, for one, get SO TIRED of hearing -- regardless of the issue -- that the "timing is terrible"!!!

With regard to this ILLEGAL WAR, people are DYING EVERY GODDAM DAY!!!!

HOW MANY DAYS would you recommend that Cindy wait until she brings this issue up???

HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE would YOU recommend DIE while we all sit around waiting for the "right time?????!!!!!!!

[Mizmoon]

35. When it wasn't during the first Dem press conference.

[Tsiyu]

38. Everyone says what she shouldn't do

safe on their asses typing.

Everyone says she shouldn't speak out then or there or here or now.

As the mother of a son who saw his buddies blown up in Iraq, I say there are a lot of suffering, exhausted soldiers who are glad she is speaking for them.

They are dying TODAY. And they don't give a turd about your freakin' expectations of timing.


THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE.

Sorry that's too much to ask - that you might have to suffer a grieving mother's reminders about them, over in that hellhole, dying every day.




Some of you really WILL. NEVER. GET. IT.

[pnwmom]

50. Oh that Cindy, she's so IMPOLITE.

We need millions more impolite people just like her.

[Tsiyu]

72. Amen to that, Sister

I wish I had half her courage and poise.

And I know many of our military are counting on her "lack of manners."

You'd think we'd have gotten over that "be a good girl" shit years ago, but some people always see gender: oops, female! and go into their programming to see what's "appropriate," refusing to hear the MESSAGE if it's not all submissive and pretty and delivered with plenty of cleavage....

But in nature, an enraged mama bear will eat any of these fools alive; she'll ALWAYS win the fight. And she's not worried if her teeth are ladylike enough for them. To her, the chauvinists taste just as good as the feminists.

[pnwmom]

75. I agree with everything you said. She's a hero to me and I wish I had

half her courage.

[otherlander]

64. It got media coverage.

Which is the goal of protest. To call attention to a problem. Unless you're going to do something like take up arms, in which case the goal is to... Oh, forget it.

[pnwmom]

27. "It's about Cindy." Where is your proof of that?

She's doing all of us a favor, as she has been from the beginning.

[Mizmoon]

33. It's an opinion I formed due to her inappropriate actions

[pnwmom]

47. Because of her civil disobedience? Is she too uppity for you?

A lot of people thought that about Dr. Martin Luther King, too.

[otherlander]

61. That's not what she said.

:ducks:

[pnwmom]

76. That was the implication of what the poster said.

[Moochy]

28. Back that up?

So she's sold out and its not about getting the troops out?

What are you basing that on ? :wtf:

[Mizmoon]

32. When did I say she sold out?

[pnwmom]

48. That's what the freepers would love for us to believe.

[The Wielding Truth]

41. About Cindy! We should all be screaming for peace. Now is the time.

[pnwmom]

24. "Poor taste"? Don't make me gag.

We are in a war that has killed 3000 Americans, including her son, and more than 600,000 Iraqis, half of them children, and you're commenting on someone's "poor taste" in protesting that war?

We need a lot more people in America with poor taste then. Millions more.

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. You don't know her very well

This is not about her, it's about no more deaths in Iraq.

[Minnesota_Lib]

39. Sheehan is nonpartisan and consistant. I respect that.

I wish she would have waited a bit to see exactly what the Dems are going to do, but I can't slam her for being consistent and keeping the pressure on.

[madfloridian]

52. She didn't worry about the GOP.

She only goes after Democrats. Why is that?

[B Calm]

59. You'd think she would attack the bastards that got us into this mess

with their lies!

[pnwmom]

78. Like she hasn't? Like she hasn't spent weeks camped out in Crawford

and in front of the White House? What are you talking about?

The Democrats have power now and she wants them to use it. And I agree with her -- they should.

[otherlander]

60. Well... there was the little matter of

Crawford. Is the president a Democrat?

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. What do you call camping outside the GOP president's ranch

and disrupting every vacation he has had there in the past 18 months? Seems like going after the GOP to me.

[bvar22]

85. Of all people, madfloridan.....

You should not be spreading information you KNOW to be false. You have been corrected on other threads about Cindy's constant confrontations with the Republicans.


I say "of all people" because you are lightening quick to attack anyone who makes a statement you deem to be misleading about the good Dr Dean and DFA.

You know better.

[A Simple Game]

84. If she had waited a bit, who would have heard her?

By protesting when she did, Fox News even carried a segment on her protest. Think they would have shown her protest if she had done it a month from now? They won't even show a Democratic press conference a month from now.

I thought about this for awhile, I think Cindy needs credit for a smart move. A lot of people heard Her this way. She hurt no one.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

43. Who?!?

Uh, Feingold??? Murtha? Any number of other dems who didn't see fit to interrupt one of the first press conferences of our new majority?

Oh, wait. They didn't scream on TV, so it doesn't count.

[orleans]

49. moral imperative moral imperative moral imperative

people keep dying

[ShortnFiery]

54. I'm 100% with Cindy Sheehan! She is consistent and is a woman of integrety...

God Bless Her! :grouphug:

Remember folks, it wasn't The Democratic Party representatives that first wanted us out of Vietnam. They only reluctantly changed their tune when increasing numbers of people started marching in the streets ... PROTESTING.

The War Profiteers, many of them are invested up to their eyeballs in BOTH parties, think because there's not a draft that us peasants will NOT pay attention.

We need to remind our Elected Representatives that they work for The People NOT the Corporations that are getting FILTHY Rich from WAR. :puke: :grr:

[otherlander]

68. Yes, we do.

:grouphug:

HOLY SHIT my thread is on fire! I feel like a 50 year old in a room full of screaming teenagers. And then I realize, no, wait. It's the other way around.

[judaspriestess]

57. I said this on another thread Cindy is

Damned if she does and Damned if she don't

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. And I doubt she cares much what we here at DU think

[mooseprime]

73. good on ya, cindy!

we've been "well behaved" for far too long. look at what all our dutiful, pious complicity has won us.

[Strathos]

83. It's best we not bitch about it

I think Sheehan is right to say whatever she wants. I agree with her and by letting her speak we're doing better than the rethugs did who called her everything but a woman.

[cynatnite]

89. Well, they haven't even started yet...

waiting to see what they'll do is better than shouting them down at a press conference, IMO.